Fired and job seeking - No, not I

Unless its a McJob then your friend is probably retarded for letting himself get fired...

Businesses generally don't want legal hassle and assuming it simply isn't working out (rather than you've done something very silly like taking a dump on your boss's desk) then you negotiate an exit... you agree not to kick up a fuss as they get rid of you in return for them not officially sacking you but allowing you to resign and maybe even negotiating a future reference with you(depending on the situation/how much leverage you have).

How long ago did it happen, how it happened is important - your friend should probably talk to a solicitor who specialises in the area... see if he can resign instead. Otherwise he's potentially going to have some explaining to do at future interviews and could be caught out telling lies to future employers.
 
dowie said:
Unless its a McJob then your friend is probably retarded for letting himself get fired...

Businesses generally don't want legal hassle and assuming it simply isn't working out (rather than you've done something very silly like taking a dump on your boss's desk) then you negotiate an exit... you agree not to kick up a fuss as they get rid of you in return for them not officially sacking you but allowing you to resign and maybe even negotiating a future reference with you(depending on the situation/how much leverage you have).

How long ago did it happen, how it happened is important - your friend should probably talk to a solicitor who specialises in the area... see if he can resign instead. Otherwise he's potentially going to have some explaining to do at future interviews and could be caught out telling lies to future employers.
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this.

Will your "friend" give OCuk forum members a discount at the fast food place he ends up?
 
Honesty is the best policy. If he lies, gets a job, but is later found out, he'd be in even more of a pickle.

If he does get an interview, then be truthful, but try and spin it in a positive light, e.g. what lessons you, he, has learnt and what you're, he's, going to do different in the future to make sure it never happens again, etc, etc.

He doesn't need to off-load completely, just state the minium, bare facts to ensure he can't be accused of lying.
 
I previously worked in the employment law field and in a nutshell employers can't give a negligent or inaccurate statement.

They can however provide an accurate statement, for eg if you were fired for gross misconduct for assaulting another colleague then that can be put on a reference.

But as many guys have already said employers are reluctant to give those kind of references due to potential legal action which they could do without the hassle of defending.

What most employers do in that situation is refuse to provide a reference which usually speaks volumes in itself to potential employers. And employers are not obliged to provide a to provide a reference unless contract specific or working in a certain industry (namely the financial sector)
 
More information gleaned, however as this has turned more into a "identity of the real person in trouble" thread I'll leave it there.
Cheers anyway.
 
stoofa said:
The place of work never did references, simply a statement of employment between certain dates.
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This is the key point.

He does not need to tell the truth - simply that he left for whatever reason; they didn't need him anymore, cutting costs, wanted to change industry, no progression etc etc etc.

Fact is if/when they ask for reference all they will get is the dates and not the reason, and I very highly doubt they will ask again, all they really want is proof that he worked there between those dates.

I love all the 'honesty is the best policy, they will find out sooner or later' posts as while its morally correct, the real world does not work like that and sometimes you need to play the game and look after #1.
 
I'll just leave this here for those advocating filling out a CV with false information with a view to obtaining a job....

Section 2, Fraud Act 2006 - Fraud by False Representation.


(1) A person is in breach of this section if he—

(a) dishonestly makes a false representation, and

(b) intends, by making the representation—

(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or

(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.


(2) A representation is false if—

(a) it is untrue or misleading, and

(b) the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.


(3) “Representation” means any representation as to fact or law, including a representation as to the state of mind of—

(a) the person making the representation, or

(b) any other person.


(4) A representation may be express or implied.


(5) For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it (or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without human intervention).

Maximum Penalty is 12 months' imprisonment on summary conviction and 10 years imprisonment on conviction on indictment
 
A2Z said:
This is the key point.

He does not need to tell the truth - simply that he left for whatever reason; they didn't need him anymore, cutting costs, wanted to change industry, no progression etc etc etc.

Fact is if/when they ask for reference all they will get is the dates and not the reason, and I very highly doubt they will ask again, all they really want is proof that he worked there between those dates.

I love all the 'honesty is the best policy, they will find out sooner or later' posts as while its morally correct, the real world does not work like that and sometimes you need to play the game and look after #1.
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We (NHS) attempted to get a reference for a candidate, only to be told that it wasn't possible to provide details due to top secret clearance of his previous job history.

The fact was they couldn't get more information, but it did mean a letter or so to the previous employer to get some additional information, a letter to another employer and ultimately a delay in recruiting. It took 4 months for a start date because of the referencing issue.

To say they "wouldn't ask again" might be selling it short.
 
A2Z said:
I love all the 'honesty is the best policy, they will find out sooner or later' posts as while its morally correct, the real world does not work like that and sometimes you need to play the game and look after #1.
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I think you'll find in the real world it's considered fraud.
 
job center tells you too "amend your CV for each individual job you apply for", government obviously dont care if you lie on your CV to get a job and get the figures down
 
Zairs said:
job center tells you too "amend your CV for each individual job you apply for", government obviously dont care if you lie on your CV to get a job and get the figures down
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'Amend' means 'target' in this situation. It does not mean lie. Some aspects of your experience may suit some employers more than others so emphasize that experience over other things you have done.
 
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