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John Carmack Says to Take Nvidia's K1 Claims with Several Grains of Salt

jh30uk said:
Bumped this dead thread for that **** Charlie?
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Lol spot on. He's a **** nosed keyboard wonderering ignoramus who has been around long enough to collect a following of like minded imps reading his blog, and whom NV have likely taken an injunction out on.

Ah yes and on inspection of said wonderings he's not even got any actual power draw figures just a sticker lol. Another one in the bag for semiaccusation.
 
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nVidia are the bad guys and rip off customers and yet CD charges $1000 a year to look at his nVidia rantings and AMD turd polishing....Disgraceful.
 
almoststew1990 said:
Im still excited to see what it can do after even Tegra 3 surprises me sometimes on my original nexus 7.
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Considering some of its specs are over 3 times lower then competing chips from other company’s I wouldn’t expect much from it. It will most likely be another underwhelming chip.

Another problem is K1 looks to arrive right when the market is transitioning to ray tracing mobile chips. Which will make K1 super outdated.
 
Orangey said:
Ray tracing? How could that be possible on a mobile chip if we don't have a sniff of it on desktop since the idtech builds years ago?
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The company’s doing mobile GPUs are heavily investing in ray tracing which could leave us in a crazy situation of having mobiles with better light graphics then PC games! Saying that we do have ray tracing desktop cards just not for games. I find it strange how the mobile world is gearing up for ray tracing for games and the desktop world is doing very little in comparison.
 
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No time machine. I follow and invest in the GPU Company’s so look very closely at what’s going off. Anyone who is up-to-date with what’s going off can see Ray tracing is well on its way for mobiles. It’s been in development for years and just about ready. If Nvidia's K1 is in the time frame I think ,it could well be going against ray tracing chips so how on earth is K1 going to stand out with its low specs and zero ray tracing power?

I never had stock in Ageia and I find it funny you say make back my cash somehow. I predicted and had stock in smartphones; tablets back before smartphones or tablets took off. Brought my shares early 2000. I was correct then and I should be correct about ray tracing assuming it takes off as well as I believe. If not I can always fall back to my investment in MIPS CPU's which look to be a upcoming major player. (MIPS CPU's should hit 25% market share long term by my research).

We should see a new ray tracing product announcement within a month unless it slips but no later than first half of this year. We should see lots of news at GDC 2014 with things like ray tracing integration into major popular game engines and development packages like Unity. Talks on how to use ray tracing techniques in games along with hybrid ray tracing alongside rasterized 3D graphics.
 
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Ray tracing or real time ray tracing is a good idea but the trouble is, it comes with so many caveats and for the foreseeable future, rasterization will rule. Real time ray tracing would be good though if it didn't have such problems as aliased lines and massive fps impacts for very very little gain.
 
MjFrosty said:
LOL ray tracing. Have you jumped out of a time machine from the future Pottsey?
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Shame in a way that mobile resolution is going up so quickly - ray tracying a QVGA resolution screen on a mobile with a chip dedicated to the maths for it would produce realtime viable results or atleast we aren't far from that - but even VGA res would seriously push the hardware.
 
Pottsey said:
No time machine. I follow and invest in the GPU Company’s so look very closely at what’s going off. Anyone who is up-to-date with what’s going off can see Ray tracing is well on its way for mobiles. It’s been in development for years and just about ready. If Nvidia's K1 is in the time frame I think ,it could well be going against ray tracing chips so how on earth is K1 going to stand out with its low specs and zero ray tracing power?

I never had stock in Ageia and I find it funny you say make back my cash somehow. I predicted and had stock in smartphones; tablets back before smartphones or tablets took off. Brought my shares early 2000. I was correct then and I should be correct about ray tracing assuming it takes off as well as I believe. If not I can always fall back to my investment in MIPS CPU's which look to be a upcoming major player. (MIPS CPU's should hit 25% market share long term by my research).

We should see a new ray tracing product announcement within a month unless it slips but no later than first half of this year. We should see lots of news at GDC 2014 with things like ray tracing integration into major popular game engines and development packages like Unity. Talks on how to use ray tracing techniques in games along with hybrid ray tracing alongside rasterized 3D graphics.
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Got any links to articles or papers etc? I had a brief google a few months ago but wasn't looking for anything in particular, just assumed it was a way off still.
 
Orangey said:
Got any links to articles or papers etc? I had a brief google a few months ago but wasn't looking for anything in particular, just assumed it was a way off still.
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Little short of time so only have time to post a bit.

Here is the Ray Tracing API and SDK to build Ray tracing apps and games. It’s been with developers for well over a year now. https://developer.caustic.com/
I read all the finical reports from GPU Company’s and snippets come out. The Interim management statement posted this month says

“We will make further product announcements involving our ray tracing technology later this month.”

http://www.iii.co.uk/research/LSE:IMG/news/item/1013354/interim-management-statement

http://www.imgtec.com/News/Release/eventsdetail.asp?EventID=107
The show list is now up which I hadn’t seen before today. Lets look at the speakers.

10am New Techniques Made Possible by PowerVR Ray Tracing Hardware
11:15: Practical Techniques for Ray Tracing in Games
3:pm: Bringing Console Quality Lighting to Mobile. Speaker James McCombe on PowerVR Ray Tracing,. Speaker Aras Pranckevisius on Unity Technologies.
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http://withimagination.imgtec.com/i...eps-gdc-2014-imagination#sthash.nkO8kvh6.dpbs

“We are now making history by deploying ray tracing technology in the mobile computing market. We believe this will revolutionize the way in which content is produced and consumed. Imagination’s new ray tracing IP has the potential to dramatically improve visual quality or game AI for devices that fit in the palm of your hands.

“This presentation will describe how ray tracing has been successfully integrated into the Unity engine and combined with traditional rasterized 3D graphics.”

That is a big step so a a very popular game engine now has support.


Freddie1980 said:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18230707

Pottsey has made some 'bold' claims before, who remembers that little beauty? 'At the rate tbere going they will surpase desktop gpus in a couple of years'. Fastword a couple of years to 2013 and the latest mobile gpu's could bear hang onto the coat tails of mid range gpus from 2006.
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I never said a couple of years did i? When did I ever say that? I said if you plot the graph of speed increase then mobiles increase more in speed year over year then desktop cards. With mobiles getting more popular more and more R&D is being focused on mobiles then a trend start to show that over time mobiles might overtake desktops.

What I said has been correct the gap has closed a lot and the trend I said 3 years ago has still stayed the same.

I just glanced over that thread and didn’t a lot of those bold claims come true. We have 2048x1536 with FSAA in mobile just like I said we would. I was laughed at for saying that but it turned out true. Look at the state of current mobile GPU tech full GPU compute, full DX11 effects.

Another one from that thread "It is wildly believe the mobile market will outship the desktop market by 2012 " Guess what that happened. mobiles GPUs now out ship desktops. Last one as I am out of time. from that old thread "Real-time ray tracing is a prime example. Its strongly looking like mobiles will get that before desktops. If that happens desktops could well fall behind graphically. How can you not see that? " what looks to be happening today was just what I said 2 years ago. Still feel like LoL at me?

Assuming you count handful of years as 4 to 5 years and assuming I am right about ray tracing then I could still be right about mobiles overtaking desktop GPU’s.
 
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