The Console Market Is In Crisis: Hardcore gamers better off with high end gaming PC than the current

Even if they just made one next gen ish Mario title for the PS4 it would generate massive sales. They could keep the core titles on Nintendo hardware but have some kind of deal with Sony for a line of Mario games different to what we have seen so far. Sales would be huge, but I guess long term it would make people even less likely to buy Nintendo hardware. They don't want to shoot themselves in the foot.

If they would just make the SNES 2, better hardware than PS4/Xbox1. With proper next gen titles. This would bring people back to Nintendo imho.

nintendo cannot afford to make a proper next gen console with proper graphics.

they got lucky with the wii having a unique fad gameplay and sold on hype.

if the wii didn't have a sensor bar and IR and movement sensor input nintendo would have pulled out of the console market and the wii would have been it's last console.

it sold well though because it had those things and other consoles didn't at the time. it was marketed at children and families, etc and did well.

the wii u has put them back into their place and they probably won't make another console again most likely.

they shall move to games only and handhelds, but even then handhelds could also possibly die out due to smartphones and tablets taking their already small market and diluting it.
 
The first statement is total nonsense, PS3 had a 7800 gtx era gpu, which was well over a year old when the PS3 was released. Whole thing is typical garbage internet 'journalism' to get a few clicks.

The console gpu's, I really can't recall the PS3 side, but the 360 side had effectively a much better architecture, and the low level api + unified memory meant that a console and PC with the same gpu gave a significant advantage to the console in usable power even if theoretical power was the same.

This gen, I'll expect say more from the PS4 gpu than a desktop 2tflop card, due to architecture/unified mem/current API lead, but there is already 5tflop cards, and those hugely powerful 3.79tflop 7970 was available effectively 2 years before the consoles went with 1.8/1.2tflop solutions.

The last gen did effectively have more power than anything available and the next gen gpu cards didn't have as much of a power difference as already exists this gen.

With Mantle and other potential API improvements the huge huge huge api advantage on consoles is also shrinking massively.

nintendo cannot afford to make a proper next gen console with proper graphics.

they got lucky with the wii having a unique fad gameplay and sold on hype.

if the wii didn't have a sensor bar and IR and movement sensor input nintendo would have pulled out of the console market and the wii would have been it's last console.

it sold well though because it had those things and other consoles didn't at the time. it was marketed at children and families, etc and did well.

the wii u has put them back into their place and they probably won't make another console again most likely.

they shall move to games only and handhelds, but even then handhelds could also possibly die out due to smartphones and tablets taking their already small market and diluting it.

I really don't know how Nintendo so massively miss read this. Anyone with half a brain could see their own sales numbers dropping massively before the Wii U, anyone could just ask 100 people to list everyone they knew with a Wii and work out which of them would buy again.

My parents bought into the fad of "hey it will be hilarious at dinner parties", I told them they'd never use it, they had friends over once, played it a bit realised they didn't like it and never used it again. The sheer number of Wii's that probably never got used past a month shows the power of media telling so many of these non gamers they'll love it. Most people could understand the fad while it was happening, let alone 3 years later when so many Wii's went unused. So they made another severely underpowered box and assumed everyone would buy a second console they would never use.

Unfortunately the saying fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, works perfectly here. The people that got fooled into buying a Wii weren't falling for it again, even if the Wii U was epic there would be serious "I got conned into the Wii, I don't believe the Wii U is good" thinking going on.
 
exactly people working at nintendo must be seriously deluded or morons.

i could have told them that their next console would bomb and be an epic fail. only the hardcore nintendo fans are interested in it. which is why their sales are so crap.

they must have thought wow guys we are back on top, let's keep rolling them out.
 
Ultimately, a console is a machine for gamers, if you make the best hardware, sales follow. There is a reason the PS4 is seemingly outselling the X1 quite significantly already. I expect if Ps4/x1 had gone with different hardware, diff cpu and diff gpu(even with the same effective power levels) the lack of a direct comparison would leave people not sure which would be better long term. when you put tflops numbers in black and white on near identical hardware the choice became fairly black and white itself. The fact that the performance numbers has shown up so quickly in a large number of titles as smoother frame rates doesn't help.

Ultimately if MS or Sony had introduced move or kinect before the Wii came out, I think the Wii would have failed massively, so badly it would be a joke. Ultimately the Wii was the best console you could buy... with hand gesture type controls. If it wasn't the first/best console(for a long period) with a unique gameplay mechanic then everyone would have seen it for what it was, a woeful attempt at a genuine console.

Likewise the 360/ps3/x1/ps4 all sell despite multiplatform content, and ps3/xbox sales started to catch up with Wii sales without the media hype BS years. Without the single platform titles the Wii/wii u would also sell nothing. If they made Mario/zelda/rest of the games for other platforms I don't think anyone would buy a Wii/wii U, it's just a complete non starter. A unique control method, which generally turns out to be a bit ****, gained them a faddy hardware success that was already stalling long before the Wii U came out, so they tried it again after no one was going to fall for it a second time.

As you say, the hardcore guys hang on but are prolonging the inevitable, Nintendo doing a Sega(more successfully though) and going software only and opening their IP up to other platforms.
 
Nintendo have said a thousand times before and no-one listens - they do not want to enter the console hardware arms race and indeed they do not NEED to enter the console hardware arms race, as proven with the Wii.

Nintendo will fail the instant it stops innovating and goes down the MS and Sony brute force path - there's no room for Nintendo down this path.
 
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

The complete ******** you post on here is absolutely hilarious, it genuinely gets me every time! You're mad as a hatter!.

Do you have any idea how much cash they are sitting on?

Educate yourself:
http://markets.ft.com/research/Markets/Tearsheets/Financials?s=7974:TYO

why do they keep on making crappy consoles then instead of just releasing their games on the others?

just doesn't make any sense.

we have the money to make a powerful decent console which would then allow us to make bigger games with better graphics but we will stick to making massively underpowered machines (compared to the competition) which won't sell well (got lucky with the wii) and therefore neither will our games.

put it this way for people who buy 1 console only chances of them buying a wii u would be very very slim unless they really liked the first party games because all multi plats are horrible on them compared to ps4, etc.

rather than making crap consoles why not just develop for others.

i don't see the logic in competing on both fronts when they are intentionally setting themselves up for a loss on one of them.

put it this way

best case scenario wii u sells 10 million consoles over it's lifetime, therefore the market for nintendo games is limited to 10 million people. PS4 and XB1 sell 150 million consoles over their lifetime, therefore the market for nintendo would be 15 times greater for their games.

why are they shooting themselves in the foot if it isn't a money issue?

release mario kart on the ps4 and i'll buy it straight away, i am not however prepared to go out and buy a wii u just for mario kart.
 
You're assuming if Nintendo made a very powerful console it would sell well, how much did the Gamecube sell again? ;)

Anyway, ridiculous article which seems like click bait. Top end graphics cards for pc cost more than the entire next gen consoles, of course they will be better. Also, ps4 and xbox one are both outselling the ps3 and 360 at launch.
 
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I have nothing against Nintendo and love my NES,Snes, N64. They kinda lost me with the Gamecube and I had no intention of ever owning the Wii. The Wii U looked semi interesting if they used the controller correctly but its more of a gimmick than anything. Nintendo seem to milk the same franchises over and over again. Now we are getting Mario Kart 8 as the next big release.Most gamers these days are in their 30's and they release very little content that appeal to adults and these are the people buys most consoles and games.
 
The first statement is total nonsense, PS3 had a 7800 gtx era gpu, which was well over a year old when the PS3 was released. Whole thing is typical garbage internet 'journalism' to get a few clicks.

To put it into perspective - when the PS3/360 were released they used GPUs that were approx equivalent to the high end desktop GPU the generation before (approx 1 year before)... the PS4 and One use GPUs which the desktop equivalent of would have still been mid-range getting on for almost 4 years ago.
 
I have nothing against Nintendo and love my NES,Snes, N64. They kinda lost me with the Gamecube and I had no intention of ever owning the Wii. The Wii U looked semi interesting if they used the controller correctly but its more of a gimmick than anything. Nintendo seem to milk the same franchises over and over again. Now we are getting Mario Kart 8 as the next big release.Most gamers these days are in their 30's and they release very little content that appeal to adults and these are the people buys most consoles and games.

I am gonna guess you have not even played a Wii U if you think the controller is a gimmick, as for milking franchises wow shocking not like Sony or MS would ever do that....
 
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release mario kart on the ps4 and i'll buy it straight away, i am not however prepared to go out and buy a wii u just for mario kart.

Well then you won't be playing it will you? Simple.

Whereas the people who have bought the game and MK8 will, probably very much enjoying themselves. It's not rocket science.

I am a firm believer in that Nintendo are the best placed to define and design games which are fun, my definition: enjoyable to play. If I want a murder sim, racing sim, or certain games which thrive on high res and mouse/kb I'l get them for my PC. If there is a console exclusive on a console i don't have, then I won't play it. None of Infamous, MLB The Show, Gran Turismo and Uncharted look remotely interesting to me, therefore I don't lament not owning those consoles.


I don't understand where all the discussion comes from, really I don't.

One thing which does disappoint me is the lack of support from retailers, which by removing shelf space which may compensate for Nintendos criminal lack of good advertising, is actually making the machine less know to non-techies. I'll be interested to see how Nintendo selling mail order direct works out for them.

Can you tell I really believe that the PC/Wii U gaming combo is the best of all worlds?? :)
 
I am gonna guess you have not even played a Wii U if you think the controller is a gimmick, as for milking franchises wow shocking not like Sony or MS would ever do that....

I have played on it for quite an extended period. The GF's mum has one with Zombie U and Mario. I find the controller a gimmick, it could be amazing if used correctly.

As for milking a franchise, I would say Nintendo is far worse than Sony and Microsoft. How many Zelda,Mario,Metroid games do you need?. I can't even think of much in the way of new IP from Nintendo in the last few years. I do just find their content way too childish. If you like the Wii U though that's totally cool.

I loved the Sega Saturn, we all make mistakes :p
 
nintendo cannot afford to make a proper next gen console with proper graphics.

they got lucky with the wii having a unique fad gameplay and sold on hype.

Define "proper next gen" with "proper graphics". Define what the hardware has to be to be considered "proper next gen". You can't, because you're using "next gen" to say something other than it actually means.
 
games that are amazing do tend to have a lot of remakes.

some don't however or sometimes their sequels are crap.

driver was said franchise which turned crap and therefore they just stopped making them.

mario kart however is a classic and IMO always will be, what I don't get is, why doesn't someone just rip it off and produce a Xb1/PS4 version with different characters and instead of shooting shells shoot marbles or something, etc. instead of bananas being dropped, drop a can of oil or diesel, etc to make opponents slip.

the game could easily be copied IMO and sell well unless it's all patented very well.

it's the only nintendo exclusive i'm at all interested in, much like the only XB1 exclusive i'm interested in is Halo.

most of the games i play are multi plats and i already have a running PS plus sub, etc, thats why the PS4 was a no brainer for me.

i did like gears of war but i got killzone for 85p the other day and to me it feels exactly like gears of war tbh, so that's how i get around most decent XB1 exclusives, PS4 will always have an equivalent usually.
 
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I have played on it for quite an extended period. The GF's mum has one with Zombie U and Mario. I find the controller a gimmick, it could be amazing if used correctly.

As for milking a franchise, I would say Nintendo is far worse than Sony and Microsoft. How many Zelda,Mario,Metroid games do you need?. I can't even think of much in the way of new IP from Nintendo in the last few years. I do just find their content way too childish. If you like the Wii U though that's totally cool.

I loved the Sega Saturn, we all make mistakes :p

Well that settles it, you playing 2 games is definitely enough experience to state that it's a gimmick.
 
games that are amazing do tend to have a lot of remakes.

some don't however or sometimes their sequels are crap.

driver was said franchise which turned crap and therefore they just stopped making them.

mario kart however is a classic and IMO always will be, what I don't get is, why doesn't someone just rip it off and produce a Xb1/PS4 version with different characters and instead of shooting shells shoot marbles or something, etc. instead of bananas being dropped, drop a can of oil or diesel, etc to make opponents slip.

the game could easily be copied IMO and sell well unless it's all patented very well.

it's the only nintendo exclusive i'm at all interested in, much like the only XB1 exclusive i'm interested in is Halo.

most of the games i play are multi plats and i already have a running PS plus sub, etc, thats why the PS4 was a no brainer for me.

i did like gears of war but i got killzone for 85p the other day and to me it feels exactly like gears of war tbh, so that's how i get around most decent XB1 exclusives, PS4 will always have an equivalent usually.

Surely you understand that Nintendo's success isn't reliant on what you specifically are interested in, right?

Stop talking out of your arse.
 
To put it into perspective - when the PS3/360 were released they used GPUs that were approx equivalent to the high end desktop GPU the generation before (approx 1 year before)... the PS4 and One use GPUs which the desktop equivalent of would have still been mid-range getting on for almost 4 years ago.

There's been a decent degree of stagnation over the last few years though. Moores law is grinding to a halt as the smaller chips get exponentially more difficult to produce.

A mid range PC gpu from 3 years ago is still pretty much a mid range gpu today.
 
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