UEFA Champions League/Europa League 11/12/13 March *** Spoilers ***

omnomnom said:
Like a captain you mean in Terry? Every club gets injuries, most don't spend £40+ mil on sulking Germans though to be honest.

How your lot can whinge about Ramsey, Gibbs, Wilshire and co being out is beyond me, it's almost like Arsenal didn't see it coming....they are made of glass.
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Not only that but knowing they are made of glass we take precisely no extra care in protecting them... then are surprised they get injured.

It took what, 6 years before Wenger went "how's about letting RVP train differently so we prevent injuries to him", and voila, working player. So about 2 more years for Ramsey, 4 for Gibbs, 3-4 for Wilshere and Wenger might decide to try and do something about keeping them fit.

Gibbs had a knack not long ago and played since he was fit again with no breaks, Wilshere was injured for the first game against Pool iirc, and has played since then till injured again, etc, etc.

Every other manager in the world see's frequently injured players and will try and find a way to work around it.

Better to rest a few players for a game here and there than lose them for 6 weeks to 6 months at a time.

Same old crap, Wenger trotted out his old line "I'll rest Ozil when he needs it but he's fine now", with apparently no irony. You rest a player when he's NOT tired, to prevent him getting tired. As soon as a player is tired, he's at a higher risk of injury. If we do assume Ozil actually did have a dead leg 2-3 games ago and that was basically his first game off almost this season, then he's played him since coming back till his leg has gone completely, just retarded. Not least since anyone with half an ounce of sense knew this was the kind of game in which he'd suck without an injury.

We've had since 2004 either title capable squads, or cup capable squads and the thing preventing any wins has been squad mismanagement, nothing else.

I still point back to Fabregas, that year he had a hamstring injury, and rather than give him 3 months off, every time it felt a bit okay he'd play him for say 3-4 games, 90 mins a piece, and his hamstring would go again, over and over all season. Then with a cup final against Birmingham, a physical Stoke to play away a week before that cup final, Wenger again pushed Fabregas back into the first team for no reason and his hamstring went again and missed the final. He hasn't learnt this lesson in 8 years, in the luckiest year we've had without injuries, he's done the same thing and at this stage of the season has resulted in injury after injury and ruined the season... he won't ever learn this lesson.
 
Does anyone know what (if any) effect it will have in the near future on the English team's seeding etc in the CL if they all go out early again?
Surely our 4th place must come under scrutiny soon.
 
Didnt see the game but was it as one sided as the highlights suggested? Arsenal offered nothing going forward in general and Bayern despite playing poorly apparently still carved them open regularly.

lol to Wenger still bleating about nailed on pens, has he commented on the foul by Podolski in the build up to their goal?
 
Ah well shame to go out but wasn't really expecting anything else, the first leg finished it. Was nice to not get a beating which will hopefully give us a bit of confidence in the next few games coming up. Thought Ox and Podolski were very good (Podolski can clearly manage 90 minutes why does he never get it!!!). Giroud really was awful, his thinking is as slow as his running. With an outlet up front rather than a fat lamppost which the ball just bounced off we could have put them under some actual pressure. We need 1 top class striker and a backup alongside Giroud for next season, I really think with that we'd be very competitive.
 
Newbie007 said:
Didnt see the game but was it as one sided as the highlights suggested? Arsenal offered nothing going forward in general and Bayern despite playing poorly apparently still carved them open regularly.

lol to Wenger still bleating about nailed on pens, has he commented on the foul by Podolski in the build up to their goal?
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Meh, the podolski push was more of a arm raised but very little actual force. Once of those, like Kaboul, where the player was stupid to raise his arm because the ref will give it most of the time but I think Lahm went down soft.

Asides from that Arsenal was woeful in the Bayern half. People saying AOC stared because of two runs both with dives at the end, one was about 10 yards, one was promising but realistically going no where.

bayern were poor, they had 72% possession in the second half, not actually sure about the second. Lets say Bayern were about a million times more likely to score three in the game than Arsenal were.

Robben's first dive was pretty disgraceful but it wasn't like AOC hadn't done it twice himself then. The first replay of the penalty there was clear contact but it looked like Robben went down very very soft. The second replay from a more sideways angle shows he kind of pushed Robben over just after the slight trip. I still think he went down pretty soft, but I think it would be given as a penalty 9 out of 10 times. So so so so so stupid, another case of putting your hands on the player when there is absolutely no need at all. Even worse was putting his foot in, he defended well, showed Robben outside, had Robben with his back to goal with no direct chance to shoot. Leave a small amount of space and continue doing what he was doing. That is pretty much classic Koscielny the brain dead moments that cost us in crucial games.

We had a 5 min spell after the somewhat out of the blue goal where Bayern had that "wtf just happened" look about the team, but we really didn't look close to scoring, we just spent 5 mins in their half of the pitch for a change.
 
I was just having a dig at wenger’s usual myopia DM :) If I was Guardiloa I would be livid as hell, the Bayern players clearly stop expecting the Ref to blow up when Podolski pushed over Lahm, you play to the whistle, not the perceived foul! (pushes are given outside the box all the time, its a foul).

Robben has always been a diver, learnt under the best for that whilst at Chelsea :p I’m really not sure why mangers get all up in arms when it happens to them though, maybe if their own players didn’t do it then they might have a case..
 
drunkenmaster said:
Rosicky and Flamini are covering mostly for injured players, not being intentionally rotated. Giroud COULD be rotated IF WE BOUGHT ANOTHER STRIKER.

It was Wenger's CHOICE to not buy another striker, therefore his responsibility, as for Bendtner being ****, he's not.

Bayern started Kroos, Muller, Rafina, Boateng and Shaqiri in their previous game...... really, other teams don't rotate much at all. Okay, if you say so. They also made multiple changes from the game before that, in which they had made multiple changes from the game before that. Martinez missed a bunch of months, they have a CB out injured. Ribery missed several games, they've had injuries but not a huge amount.

I don't recall suggesting changing 11 players every game, but resting Walcott for 1 game, instead of playing a just back from injury player for 7 games on the trot before he absolutely unpredictably picks up a season ending injury isn't going to ruin the team dynamic. Resting Ozil for a couple games here and there wouldn't ruin the team either, and playing a tired player who is completely uninvolved is WORSE than playing a fresh player who changes the team a bit.

Wilshere has been mostly out of the team this season due to other knacks, he missed the Liverpool game due to a knock and was back the next game and played through till injured yet again.

Again our lack of defenders/CB's in particular is directly down to Wenger. Gibbs came back from an injury, and got played till reinjured, etc, etc. Familiar story with Arsenal.

Refusing to use Bendtner, nor buy another striker, refusing to rotate sensibly. There are players who are likely to get reinjured and those who are less likely, players who you need to rest to keep fresh, and those that you don't. Wilshere/Ramsey/Walcott are obvious players to protect, but we don't. Being injured doesn't count as a rest.
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who could we buy be tried to get suarez for over 40m and failed. tried to get that bloke whos in napoli and failed due to them ****ing about and all of a sudden want an extra 10m AFTER terms and everything was agreed!

omnomnom said:
Like a captain you mean in Terry? Every club gets injuries, most don't spend £40+ mil on sulking Germans though to be honest.

How your lot can whinge about Ramsey, Gibbs, Wilshire and co being out is beyond me, it's almost like Arsenal didn't see it coming....they are made of glass.
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and thats one player. all there others were injury free able to play a strong side unlike arsenal missing 3-4 players. big difference.
 
jonneymendoza said:
who could we buy be tried to get suarez for over 40m and failed.
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jonneymendoza said:
tried to get that bloke whos in napoli and failed due to them ****ing about and all of a sudden want an extra 10m AFTER terms and everything was agreed!
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Where they? didnt it come out afterwards tht nothing was agreed and you were ****ing about with a few million, then napoli came in with a cash offer and it was accepted.
 
Anywho looking forward to City and Barca game tonight, Barca arent doing so well anymore and judging by the first tie when City were down to 10 men. They were lucky to walk away with a 2 goal advantage as it seemed more likely that City would score with 10 men rather than 11 men.

Still think City will find it difficult to beat Barca at home but they are capable of doing it. No Pellegrini as well as hes serving the first of his 2 match ban.
 
I'd love it if Man City put in a great performance and turn things around, I'm not really expecting anything though they've had too many matches like against Wigan.
 
jonneymendoza said:
er nope. terms were agreed and then all of a sudden they wanted 10m more!
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This simply isn't true, by all accounts Higuain never spoke with Arsenal, Arsenal kept offering 22-23mil and were negotiating and Napoli came in and actually matched his asking fee. The rumours are that Arsenal were messing around because they were thinking about buying Suarez instead, and that Higuain chose Napoli because Napoli were being serious, matched his fee and the manager spoke with him directly while Arsenal thought if they waited long enough Real would eventually drop their asking price.

Nothing was agreed and I've seen nothing anywhere, nor any quotes from anyone since that suggests this. Arsenal weren't completely committed to the deal, spent ages begging for him on the cheap then got beaten to the punch. Which is probably why they decided not to negotiate and just jumped on the 42mil for Ozil before someone else got in on it.

Who else could we get, I dunno, one of the other couple hundred better strikers than Giroud around the world, maybe just in Europe. Someone who can run with the ball would be great. Wenger peeing around scuppered the Higuain deal but there were plenty of better strikers around.
 
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Why the hell are the BBC writing City off already. Christ they came back to beat Bayern 3-2 after being 2-0 down in 40 minutes, never mind 90 minutes against Barca's questionable defence.
 
City could easily win tonight.

Barca haven't been particularly good all season but managed to put in a very good performance in the first leg. City will have to be at their very best though, and the likes of Aguero and Toure will need to be on top form.
 
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