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joxang said:
Anyone work in Harlow?
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A friend of mine is a paramedic at Harlow. :)

As for the above......What an absolute joke. My fiance is an ITU band 5 nurse and takes home the same sort of pay as a bog standard office secretary who spends their day ansering the phone and doing peoples photocopying.....I hope the NHS workers kick off over this. I have the upmost respect for NHS workers....I couldn't do the things they do no matter what they paid me....
It should be a specialist profession that gets a reasonable wage, not a taken for granted profession in which the staff barely get paid enough to live the most modest of lifestyles and still struggle to make ends meet.

Rant over....for now :mad:
 
Halfmad said:
MPs pay rise - 2015 - 11% It's apparently forced on them, poor sods.

I do love how the country can't afford some pay rises but can others!
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Ironically it's the body that Gordon Brown set up to regulate their pay to stop them taking too much that's forcing a rise lol. Their pay hasn't risen since it was cut following the coalition taking power (hence why the rise has compounded to 11%) so now they are being forced to accept a rise as they are technically underpaid (compared to similar jobs or other country's MPs).
 
[TW]Sponge;24070333 said:
I am a Sterile Services Technician. I basically wash operating equipment, then pack it into trays as Mr Surgeon man wants it, then I autoclave it.

I also deliver stock to all of the wards etc....

Nothing exciting.
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I used to do this job, the "infected" sets that are returned were always fun.
 
So on the back of today's pay announcement, what are the alternative proposals that still meet the same budget?

There's a lot of noise about it being unfair, but I haven't seen much that actually constitutes a working alternative policy.
 
I'm just hoping I get even the 1% - I'm at the top of my pay band, and we didn't get cost of living last year.

Desktop Support with a restructure looming. May the odds be ever in our favour.
 
I try not to respond to NHS threads but...

The pay freeze for the last few years is only part of it. Rough calculations show that my pension contribution that comes out of my salary has gone up by: 2010/11 6.5%, 2012/13 8% and 2013/14 9%.

So the pay freeze and pension increases mean a pay cut in real terms and the latest 1% increase for those not on increments will be swallowed up by the 1% pension increase.

In addition to this the individual trusts have to make several million pound savings without impacting on service delivery. Please Mr Cameron explain how?
 
Let's not forget the "progression payment" or incremental pay rise is all well and good, if you're not already at the top of your band.

In effect, there may be staff (nurses or otherwise) that are maxed out at 15,18,20, 25k etc and they won't be getting a rise. If anything, with inflation their wages will continue to go down every year that the wages are "frozen".

I don't know the answer, but I can tell you morale is already rock bottom.
 
don't know if i should be happy or sad about not getting a pay rise...
inability to retain staff = gaps in the rota = opportunity for locum work = $$$$
just playing the game...
 
Dolph said:
So on the back of today's pay announcement, what are the alternative proposals that still meet the same budget?

There's a lot of noise about it being unfair, but I haven't seen much that actually constitutes a working alternative policy.
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The money for MPs pay rise goes to NHS, I know what's more important, giving already rich people an inflation busting rise or giving it to the frontline of healthcare

There's plenty of money, you just ate the Tory propaganda
 
i know a bright idea...hire more staff AND give a pay rise.
it sounds stupid, but it's actually a really sound idea, except the pen-pushing managers on 80k a year would lose their bonuses cuz they had to increase their salary budget.
a nhs trust i used to work for spent 2.5m on locums alone in a year...thats enough to pay for 20 full time consultants!
i guess its good for fudging numbers cuz locum pay comes out from service provision budgets rather than salary budgets, but overall the nhs loses cuz locum pay is about 300-400% of normal rates...but whatever...
 
MrMoonX said:
The money for MPs pay rise goes to NHS, I know what's more important, giving already rich people an inflation busting rise or giving it to the frontline of healthcare

There's plenty of money, you just ate the Tory propaganda
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Why frontline healthcare out of interest? I highlight this as pathology is being squeezed to breaking point in most hospitals as the budgets have been destroyed, making staff replacement after retirement etc impossible. However, we never hear about those problems though because people think the NHS is just doctors and nurses.
 
They make up the bulk of the staff though. What people really mean by frontline care is everyone bar the audit managers who do nothing but annoy everyone else, tie them up in red tape, and were the ones that were really crap when they were doctors/nurses/physios/labstaff/etc. Come on we all know them couldn't do the actual job when they were there but somehow are all fountains of knowledge when they've browned their nose to the top and paid for their MBAs use all that stupid terminology and treat the NHS like a justintime Toyota workplant.
 
Xordium said:
They make up the bulk of the staff though. What people really mean by frontline care is everyone bar the audit managers who do nothing but annoy everyone else, tie them up in red tape, and were the ones that were really crap when they were doctors/nurses/physios/labstaff/etc. Come on we all know them couldn't do the actual job when they were there but somehow are all fountains of knowledge when they've browned their nose to the top and paid for their MBAs use all that stupid terminology and treat the NHS like a justintime Toyota workplant.
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I understand that, yet I hate the argument thats always presented with poor doctors and nurses etc, whilst pathology has massive job changing implications with 24/7 services being dumped on them, whilst removing salary budgets for new staff, removing training opportunities and then the best bit of all, knocking most staff down an entire pay band to justify paying for more consultants?

Take my local hospital for example, Hull Royal Infirmary. They want to take on BMS staff as band 4, which is honestly insulting. With my qualifications less than a decade ago, I'd have walked into a band 6 position and have the responsibility that goes hand in hand with it. Now we have all the responsibility and none of the monetary or career progression rewards anymore. This is in a system were people whine about having their pay frozen?!
 
MrMoonX said:
The money for MPs pay rise goes to NHS, I know what's more important, giving already rich people an inflation busting rise or giving it to the frontline of healthcare

There's plenty of money, you just ate the Tory propaganda
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That would be the pay rise that was cost neutral due to expenses changes?

I know you have never done well with costs and budgets, but this solves nothing at all...
 
James J said:
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Yes, I agree but don't join the other side and make it a race to the bottom lose the subjectivity and gain some objectivity here: you are getting screwed, they are getting screwed, there are more of them than you they will gain more traction ... keep the anger and the rage and throw it back at the people it should go at.

Dolph there is a time and a place for everything - at such a time where people have been given more bad news maybe this is not the time or the place if you don't want to look like a troll. Maybe make a new thread and see if anyone bites or wait a few days eh?
 
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