'Contact lost' with Malaysia Airlines plane

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while we don't know what happened for sure the plane landing somewhere in some audacious heist just seems ridiculous

pilot suicide seems more likely as does 'terrorism', bungled hijacking or even simply an accident (after equipment failure)
 
dowie said:
while we don't know what happened for sure the plane landing somewhere in some audacious heist just seems ridiculous

pilot suicide seems more likely as does 'terrorism', bungled hijacking or even simply an accident (after equipment failure)
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If the information that is floating about is even half correct it was a lot more planned than your common hijacking, terrorism or something more sinister possibly though an accident is still by far the most likely scenario. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "heist" as I don't think its likely someone went after the plane itself (far easier ways to get your hands on a 777-200 without drawing undue attention to yourselves) but theres several plausible reasons why someone might have taken over the plane and redirected it to land elsewhere - its certainly not the first time its happened by a long shot. ("Usually" in cases where its done to snatch an individual though typically the plane turns up with the rest of the people onboard safe enough a couple of days later).
 
Rroff said:
If the information that is floating about is even half correct it was a lot more planned than your common hijacking, terrorism or something more sinister possibly though an accident is still by far the most likely scenario.
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I reckon Pilot suicide is more likely given the current info....

Pilot Suicide > Bungled hijacking or 'terrorism' > accident >.........................................................................................................................................................>audacious heist involving the plane landing somewhere secretly for whatever reason
 
You'd have thought if it was pilot suicide they've have made a bit more of a statement when they went out than quietly dissapear.
 
It was the conclusion of NTSB investigations into each incident

The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which also participated in the investigation, concluded that the evidence was consistent with a deliberate manipulation of the flight controls, most likely by the captain.
In a letter to the NTSC dated 11 December 2000, the NTSB wrote:
The examination of all of the factual evidence is consistent with the conclusions that: 1) no airplane-related mechanical malfunctions or failures caused or contributed to the accident, and 2) the accident can be explained by intentional pilot action. Specifically, a) the accident airplane’s flight profile is consistent with sustained manual nose-down flight control inputs; b) the evidence suggests that the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) was intentionally disconnected; c) recovery of the airplane was possible but not attempted; and d) it is more likely that the nose-down flight control inputs were made by the captain than by the first officer.
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NTSB investigation and conclusion[edit]
The NTSB's investigation fairly quickly centered on the actions of the Relief First Officer, Gameel Al-Batouti, and this drew relatively minor criticism from Egyptians.[17] The NTSB determined that the only way for the observed split elevator condition to occur was if the left seat pilot (the Captain's position) was commanding nose up while the right seat pilot (the First Officer's position) commanded nose down. As the Egyptian investigation forwarded various mechanical failure scenarios, they were each tested by the NTSB and found not to match the factual evidence. The NTSB concluded that no mechanical failure scenario either they or the Egyptians could come up with matched the evidence on the ground, and that even if mechanical failure had been experienced, the 767's design made the situation recoverable.[1]
The NTSB's final report was issued on 21 March 2002, after a two-year investigation, and concluded as follows:[1]
The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of the EgyptAir flight 990 accident is the airplane's departure from normal cruise flight and subsequent impact with the Atlantic Ocean as a result of the relief first officer's flight control inputs. The reason for the relief first officer's actions was not determined.
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Neither is concluded to be suicide. Only that the most likely cause of the accident was control manipulation with the conclusions along the lines of "The reason for the relief first officer's actions was not determined".
 
Rroff said:
Neither is concluded to be suicide. Only that the most likely cause of the accident was control manipulation with the conclusions along the lines of "The reason for the relief first officer's actions was not determined".
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Precisely. Why go to the trouble of flying the thing for nearly eight hours and complex avoidance of controlled airspace if you're just going to top yourself.
 
Lysander said:
Precisely. Why go to the trouble of flying the thing for nearly eight hours and complex avoidance of controlled airspace if you're just going to top yourself.
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Indeed - why bother disabling communications and tracking systems (which is as close as anything to be proven to have happened in a couple of stages before complete loss of contact) its not like those systems in operation would have stopped the pilot committing suicide if he'd shut himself in the cockpit.
 
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Lysander said:
Precisely. Why go to the trouble of flying the thing for nearly eight hours and complex avoidance of controlled airspace if you're just going to top yourself.
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Waiting for "the right moment". Not to mention the internal struggle faced by anyone set to take their own life. Delays in the action are inevitable.

Though it does make one think of that case a few years ago where the plane crash could have been avoided if it weren't for the copilot inputting opposite maneuvers to the pilot, through what appeared to be ignorance of how to tackle the situation, which was only deciphered after the fact.
 
Lysander said:
Precisely. Why go to the trouble of flying the thing for nearly eight hours and complex avoidance of controlled airspace if you're just going to top yourself.
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Get drunk off the drinks cart to build some dutch courage to off yourself, maybe even drink your self unconscious. Or coming from a sexually repressed culture, maybe spend the time raping a few of the unconscious female passengers.
 
Pestilence said:
Though it does make one think of that case a few years ago where the plane crash could have been avoided if it weren't for the copilot inputting opposite maneuvers to the pilot, through what appeared to be ignorance of how to tackle the situation, which was only deciphered after the fact.
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No it doesn't... MH370 doesnt seem in any way comparable to AF447
 
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