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They use the same 24 weeks measure as terminations.
Aborted Babies incinerated to heat Hospital!!
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They use the same 24 weeks measure as terminations.
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I made an intentionally not very funny joke about what is worse than the situation the OP describes (the joke is obvious if you think about it) but it was deleted to make room for the much better comments from other people who genuinely believe their ill-considered world view and are not joking.
This is not a dig at maccy at all, I'm just explaining what I think happened.
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We're paid to make these educated guesses and do it on a regular basis. We have to live with the fact that sometimes we are wrong.
Cheer up, I think it was blatantly obvious I wasn't being serious.
Actually if you look at it with a grasp of philosophy, you might notice it's actually a joke wrapped up in something more serious, and a question that cannot be answered.
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Considering the amount of water the human body is made up of, why don't we just juice the corpses for the max amount of water and then purify it.
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None of the women complained about a doctor using the Womb Dyson to suck the foetus out of them at Mach 2, but they get all bent out of shape by the medical waste gendered being incinerated?
Women are so random...
Women are so random...
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I think this is a very common thing to do as ultimately most people don't see the aborted child as a child but a foetus (appeases conscience).
I am also very much against abortion.
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It's pretty morbid, and I'm sure other morally dubious things occur in hospitals that we are never made aware of. However, if it is medical best practice then so be it.
What I think they should do is advise the parents, or at least offer a choice, or be more transparent about it rather than saying the baby has been cremated. However, is this a baby or a foetus? Does it make a difference? I'm not sure.
It is a pretty grim thing to think about and this is why it has undoubtedly caused outrage, people think of their own children and the horror of anything occurring to them, most would prefer being aware or a burial or an official cremation.
Eitherway it's sensationalist and emotive but understandably so.
Ultimately, it's a shame, but it is one of the less pleasant things that have to be done in the world.
What I think they should do is advise the parents, or at least offer a choice, or be more transparent about it rather than saying the baby has been cremated. However, is this a baby or a foetus? Does it make a difference? I'm not sure.
It is a pretty grim thing to think about and this is why it has undoubtedly caused outrage, people think of their own children and the horror of anything occurring to them, most would prefer being aware or a burial or an official cremation.
Eitherway it's sensationalist and emotive but understandably so.
Ultimately, it's a shame, but it is one of the less pleasant things that have to be done in the world.
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Hmm wouldn't have expected the Telegraph to throw out a hatchet job of this magnitude. Just for the sake of statistics, approximately 189,931 abortions were carried out in the UK in 2011, this figure would have been split across a 365 days in the year and 168 acute trusts. Approximately 3 instances of aborted waste being burned at each trust in the Country per day. Hardly the fleet of dump trucks the headline evokes but who needs context when you have hysteria.
Given the low number of foetuses required to heat a hospital I'm surprised we've not moved to an entirely foetus based energy system. In fact isn't the headline itself somewhat of a logical fallacy? Medical waste is incinerated, heat from incinerators is recycled to heat water, aborted foetuses are classed as medical waste, therefore the hospital is burning babies as fuel! Not quite.
As many have already stated the main issue here is whether the guidance has been followed, I would imagine somewhere within the paperwork there is a clause that states the hospital will burn all foetal waste from elective abortions without a directive to the contrary.
Whether or not this is an acceptable way to dispose of foetal waste, or whether abortion should be allowed in the first place is an entirely different debate.
Given the low number of foetuses required to heat a hospital I'm surprised we've not moved to an entirely foetus based energy system. In fact isn't the headline itself somewhat of a logical fallacy? Medical waste is incinerated, heat from incinerators is recycled to heat water, aborted foetuses are classed as medical waste, therefore the hospital is burning babies as fuel! Not quite.
As many have already stated the main issue here is whether the guidance has been followed, I would imagine somewhere within the paperwork there is a clause that states the hospital will burn all foetal waste from elective abortions without a directive to the contrary.
Whether or not this is an acceptable way to dispose of foetal waste, or whether abortion should be allowed in the first place is an entirely different debate.
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If all the ingredients are there then yes, just has to be baked. Were you as tall now as you were when you were when you were 5 years old? Of course you weren't, you had to grow.
One of my best friends was born at 24 weeks, he survived after months in hospital but he's going to be 30 next week and has a successful career and a loving wife. The doctors would have had no question but to offer an abortion... was he a foetus?
My wife's mother was offered an abortion form when she was expecting her, fortunately she decided to go the adoption route.
My wife worked in a GP surgery for years, almost all abortions were simply put down to the fact the mother didn’t want the child. Of course it was sold originally to everyone that it was to prevent the risk to the mother; although there are some cases like this, I would be surprised if 5% met that criteria. My view is it’s murder by convenience.
I'd wonder how many people would be pro-choice after having witnessed an abortion. Until you have, you haven't got a clue... seriously. I say that from someone who has.
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I witness 23 weeker births regularly, I'm unsure trying to help them survive is the right thing.
Some survive, the vast majority many don't, many survive for months of intensive care then die, of those that survive many are substantially disabled.
I'm of the opinion that most should be wrapped up and given to their parents and allowed to die.
The argument about prematurity survival as part of a debate about abortion is nonsense.
Some survive, the vast majority many don't, many survive for months of intensive care then die, of those that survive many are substantially disabled.
I'm of the opinion that most should be wrapped up and given to their parents and allowed to die.
The argument about prematurity survival as part of a debate about abortion is nonsense.
How many terminations take place at 23 weeks?