Poll: Nick Clegg vs Nigel Farage - EU Debate

[badcompany]

the NHS is failing because of tory cuts and privatisation.

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/the-destruction-of-nhs.html

who you should be blaming for uncontrolled immigration ( and asking yourself who stands to gain from it )

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/mass-uncontrolled-immigration.html

oh your a socialist.

 

[Burnsy2023]

lol you serious?

That's a fair comment, I wasn't thinking about India when writing the comment which is obviously a huge market.

My main point prevails that even without EU issues over trade treaties, it's not as simple as many think just to trade with other nations to make up for an EU shortfall.

 

[badcompany]

That's a fair comment, I wasn't thinking about India when writing the comment which is obviously a huge market.

My main point prevails that even without EU issues over trade treaties, it's not as simple as many think just to trade with other nations to make up for an EU shortfall.

The United Nations has 192 member-countries. The Commonwealth, which will account for 38 per cent of global labour force by 2050, has 55 members. The European Union, which will account for 5 per cent of global labour force by 2050, has 27 members.

· This paper takes growth in Labour Force, here defined as Working-Age (15-64) Population, to be a proxy for growth in GDP, using the latest projections of working-age population from the United Nations.

· It concludes that the rest of the Commonwealth will represent a market over nine times greater than that of the rest of the EU by 2050. Competition to export to & invest in the developing world will be fierce. British exporters will need to maximise their strengths: which is why, over the next forty years, the Commonwealth has the potential to become a valuable component of British trade policy.

It is were the growth will be so we need to make it work and now is a good time to start and we should have a key advantage in trading with common wealth members with out history.

 

[deuse]

lol you serious?





you dont know your facts.


interestingly





Now is the time to be striking trade pacts with our old friends in the commonwealth the EU is a dead duck declining GDP ageing population and insolvent.

Hear Hear

 

[Burnsy2023]

Now is the time to be striking trade pacts with our old friends in the commonwealth the EU is a dead duck declining GDP ageing population and insolvent.

The EU is far from insolvent and as a whole economy the EU has only had a decline in GDP for one year (2009).

 

[badcompany]

The EU is far from insolvent and as a whole economy the EU has only had a decline in GDP for one year (2009).

IF you read that paper 2010-2050 EU is set to decline , commonwealth increase rapidly.

The future is not with the EU, whether we are apart of this future remains to be seen.

 

[v0n]

Have you seen the local polish shop selling polish goodies? Imported from Poland, profit goes back to Poland.

In turn, local shops in Poland have a large blue sign with Tesco logo. Profit goes back to UK.

 

[Mr. Pickle]

I love it when people talk about the strain immigration has caused on the NHS. The NHS wouldn't be able to function without immigrant workers.

Solution: allow the high skilled workers in the NHS, don't allow the low skilled workers who bring no benefits.

It really isn't that complicated.

 

[Mr. Pickle]

And like English speaking doctors are going to pack up and leave just because the UK isnt in the EU, its laughable.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Solution: allow the high skilled workers in the NHS, don't allow the low skilled workers who bring no benefits.

It really isn't that complicated.

If you come out of the EU you make it harder for high skilled workers to come here because you need a visa process for EU citizens.

It's also a fallacy that low skilled workers don't bring any benefits. The agriculture sector rely on low skilled foreign labour.

 

[Mr. Pickle]

Ill tell you what though, mass immigration does appear to work (well not very well for the natives) when you have large numbers of people moving to lands with vast amounts of space and natural resources, and bring with them the knowledge, skills, desire and technology to exploit those natural resources.

These days however we have vast numbers of people moving to lands with no space and no natural resources (europe) and bringing with them absolutely nothing.

I suppose if those Poles were bringing with them flying cars and perpetual motion machines which we had no idea how to do ourselves, rather than corner shops and laying the driveway, the impact they have and hence the attitude to the EU would be a little different. Much like how Europeans brought with them roads, hospitals, telephones etc when they went to America

 

[Mr. Pickle]

If you come out of the EU you make it harder for high skilled workers to come here because you need a visa process for EU citizens.

It's also a fallacy that low skilled workers don't bring any benefits. The agriculture sector rely on low skilled foreign labour.

So what if they need a visa, give them one then.

Yes, agriculture really does rely on foreign labour. How DID WE EVER COPE in feeding ourselves before we had asylum seekers and the EU to save us. The great strawberry famine of the 70s is something we never want to have to experience again - My whole family was mentally scarred by it.

 

[badcompany]

If you come out of the EU you make it harder for high skilled workers to come here because you need a visa process for EU citizens.

It's also a fallacy that low skilled workers don't bring any benefits. The agriculture sector rely on low skilled foreign labour.

Nothing wrong with a visa system is there?

 

[Lartyconshayo]

oh your a socialist.

You're....

Yes I believe that the trickle down theory is nonsense and the rich keep on hoarding the wealth.

Nobody wins unless everybody wins.

But I digress. I am a socialist..... who can spell.

 

[estebanrey]

So if you were a skilled worker and had to choose between the hassle of getting a permit in the UK and showing up with your CV + ID to get a job in Germany, you'd choose the UK? Dream on.

If you speak English, then filling out a few forms is less hassle than having to learn a new language.

 

[Tunney]

Solution: allow the high skilled workers in the NHS, don't allow the low skilled workers who bring no benefits.

It really isn't that complicated.

The NHS relies on both high skilled doctors and nurses and low skilled porters and cleaners from abroad. It is actually quite complicated.

 

[estebanrey]

The NHS relies on both high skilled doctors and nurses and low skilled porters and cleaners from abroad. It is actually quite complicated.

There is a difference between "relying on" and "choosing to mainly employee as they are cheaper".

 

[Lima]

Sex worker ?

lol no

Nurse....

 

[deuse]

Another debate on BBC Two at 19:00. I'm looking forward to seeing Clegg lose again.
But David Cameron and Labour leader Ed Miliband declined to take part. I think they should be forced to take part.

 

[Burnsy2023]

There is a difference between "relying on" and "choosing to mainly employee as they are cheaper".

There are still plenty of vacancies for A&E staff that remain unfilled. I'm sure if the staff were there we wouldn't have that issue.