Lol haha well I wish could take it as a free day off college but right now I'd sooner be studying. I've been coming in on my days off just to study plus I concentrate a lot better when out of the way of others so it's best that I come in on my day off. To be honest in a job you wouldn't get people yelling at the top of their voices acting like animals, on my course the people who didn't get excluded for pulling pranks on teachers act like friggin animals and I can't concentrate with it.
Is it fair that I was excluded from college?
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Lol haha well I wish could take it as a free day off college but right now I'd sooner be studying. I've been coming in on my days off just to study plus I concentrate a lot better when out of the way of others so it's best that I come in on my day off. To be honest in a job you wouldn't get people yelling at the top of their voices acting like animals, on my course the people who didn't get excluded for pulling pranks on teachers act like friggin animals and I can't concentrate with it.
I never said I just wanted to get off the hook, did I?
Dear Ivee
Following your suspension today, I am writing to advise you that a Student Disciplinary Hearing is being convened in regard to an incident that took place in classroom last week when you sent an illegal virus attachment to a member of staff and endangered the security of the college network. The Disciplinary Hearing has been arranged as follows:
Tuesday 22 April 2014 at 13:30, at Anonymous College, Anonymous Road, Anonymous.
The Committee will be chaired by myself, and will also include a college Manager.
You should report to the Main Reception at 13:25. You should bring with you a parent or guardian in support, although no legal representation is allowed.
Please telephone Debbie Anonymous, Administrator, on 01282 ****** to confirm your attendance on 22 April.
Please remember that you must not enter the college site until the date of the Disciplinary Hearing indicated in this letter.
Yours sincerely
Tracey Anonymous
Temporary Assistant Principal: Advanced
Chair of Student Disciplinary Committee
Following your suspension today, I am writing to advise you that a Student Disciplinary Hearing is being convened in regard to an incident that took place in classroom last week when you sent an illegal virus attachment to a member of staff and endangered the security of the college network. The Disciplinary Hearing has been arranged as follows:
Tuesday 22 April 2014 at 13:30, at Anonymous College, Anonymous Road, Anonymous.
The Committee will be chaired by myself, and will also include a college Manager.
You should report to the Main Reception at 13:25. You should bring with you a parent or guardian in support, although no legal representation is allowed.
Please telephone Debbie Anonymous, Administrator, on 01282 ****** to confirm your attendance on 22 April.
Please remember that you must not enter the college site until the date of the Disciplinary Hearing indicated in this letter.
Yours sincerely
Tracey Anonymous
Temporary Assistant Principal: Advanced
Chair of Student Disciplinary Committee
That part seems afwully odd, is this allowed?
As earlier, your best bet is to contact the IT team and explain to them. The senior management of the school won't understand at all, and you'll need the IT team onside.
Last time I did that they refused to talk to me while I was suspended, I had to go through the Network Manager who isn't involved this time.
I put those there because I didn't want to give out the address of the college I go to nor did I want to give any personal details out.
They make it look serious when in most cases it's not and just some student messing around just cause it states it's prohibited in an act. lol
Also I endangered the network in no way, I never touched the network and they are kinda implying I did something bad ON the network. The person who wrote this letter I know her well, she used to teach me and isn't IT literate yet I found out yestaday she was put in charge of IT. Why did they do this?! That's something I call insane! Another thing is why is she and the college manager the only 2 people coming to my hearing?! I mean last time they had a semi-IT literate person and even then it didn't go too well, they should know better to involve someone very IT literate from the IT team!
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Record or take notes of the meeting (if recording make them aware/ask permission first).
Bit dodgy that you're not allowed legal representation, might suggest they're not too confident of their "case" against you...
Take a print-out of the code of your application to show that it does nothing malicious (might not help but worth a try) but don't get hung up on technicalities like arguing that your code doesn't meet the definition of a virus; tempting as it is, it will likely only get them on the defensive.
Ultimately, as far as they are concerned you've breached your contract with them, and I think your best chance of "success" is to convince them that:
a) You had no malicious intentions, and all you were doing was playing an elaborate prank.
b) You've seen the error of your ways and nothing like this will ever happen again.
Good luck, and hopefully this will give you a kick up the **** to try and use your brain for more constructive activities
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On the fair assumption that the PC you ran the script on was connected to the network, then yes, you did.
As above, do not try to argue the technicalities of what you did and didn't do, it's irrelevant, and will only harm your case. Provide the information for them to look at if they want to, adjust your attitude, and cross your fingers.
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The computer you ran it on was connected to the network though no?
That's what they mean.
Also for the love of God DO NOT sit there and say "but such and such has done things and gotten away with it" or try and play the smart arse point out as above that it's technically not a virus especially if neither of them are massively IT literate you'll just rub them up the wrong way straight off the bat.
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Record or take notes of the meeting (if recording make them aware/ask permission first).
Bit dodgy that you're not allowed legal representation, might suggest they're not too confident of their "case" against you...
Take a print-out of the code of your application to show that it does nothing malicious (might not help but worth a try) but don't get hung up on technicalities like arguing that your code doesn't meet the definition of a virus; tempting as it is, it will likely only get them on the defensive.
Ultimately, as far as they are concerned you've breached your contract with them, and I think your best chance of "success" is to convince them that:
a) You had no malicious intentions, and all you were doing was playing an elaborate prank.
b) You've seen the error of your ways and nothing like this will ever happen again.
Good luck, and hopefully this will give you a kick up the **** to try and use your brain for more constructive activities
When I read that "No legal representatives are allowed" instantly my head went "WHAT THE ****?! THATS INSANE!".
Yes I have the code and everytime I have been diciplined they've never known fully what they are talking about. For example at school I bypassed the firewall to get onto youtube for my research and I was told I commited a crime, I commited no crime! All I did was broke their Use of IT policy which isn't a crime nor is it a law.
As above, while you should make the point that what you did couldn't cause damage and wasn't a virus - don't get hung up on it, it's not the important part.
The important part is that you didn't mean to cause harm or worry, you misjudged the situation, it was intended as a harmless prank, you recognise why it caused concern and you will not repeat such actions.
The important part is that you didn't mean to cause harm or worry, you misjudged the situation, it was intended as a harmless prank, you recognise why it caused concern and you will not repeat such actions.
The thing is by saying "you sent an illegal virus attachment to a member of staff and endangered the security of the college network." implies that I sent the virus across the network to the tutor. I could also think of it as I endangered the network by infecting other teachers with it via the network but the first implication is more sane than the second. I think they should've had a person who knows what they are talking about write the letter.
You knowing more about IT than them isn't an excuse to run roughshod over their rules.
I keep thinking you're getting this, and then you come back to the thread with another post which makes out you're the victim. If that's the attitude you go into this hearing with, you're screwed.
I keep thinking you're getting this, and then you come back to the thread with another post which makes out you're the victim. If that's the attitude you go into this hearing with, you're screwed.
I agree with you on this point, and I know if something like this had happened at the college where I worked, either one of the senior technicians or the IT Manager would have been involved as a technical expert, however this isn't happening in your situation, and you're going to have to deal with it.
It really doesn't matter what you think, this isn't a court of law they've made their mind up, you've pushed the boundaries one too many times and they will now do as they wish.
Your only option is to go in grovelling and leave your "But I know better than you" attitude at home.
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