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CHokKA said:
The common law burglary (we're not discussing burglary I know, but still, it explains it a bit) definition is thus:

Breaking can be either actual, such as by forcing open a door, or constructive, such as by fraud or threats. Breaking does not require that anything be "broken" in terms of physical damage occurring. A person who has permission to enter part of a house, but not another part, commits a breaking and entering when they use any means to enter a room where they are not permitted, so long as the room was not open to enter.

Entering can involve either physical entry by a person or the insertion of an instrument with which to remove property. Insertion of a tool to gain entry may not constitute entering by itself. Note that there must be a breaking and an entering for common law burglary. Breaking without entry or entry without breaking is not sufficient for common law burglary.

Apparently it is unlawful entry if the door is closed but unlocked. Either way, regardless of definition, it is still a crime and I don't get why there are so many here that think it is ok for a delivery person to open your front door, walk into your property, leave a parcel on the floor, and then let themselves out again. I don't really care for definition in terms of law. That is still totally wrong in most people's eyes, regardless of what took place. I can't believe that some here think that it is an acceptable practice.
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It is potentially odd, in that I can't see many delivery men having the balls to do it in the first place, so I can only think he has some people on his round who have asked him to do that with their parcels so it's just 'normal' to him.

Meant as a favour though. I've had a lot of hassle from "sorry, you weren't in" notes when I didn't even hear the doorbell go off.
 
Amazon logistics tend to be randoms driving round with a vans worth of parcels crammed into a Peugeot 306.

They delivered one of my parcels by throwing it over the fence next to my property. Firstly it wasn't my garden and it travelled so far it actually went over the next fence of the garden he was aiming for!

Que me, just moved into this estate and knocking on doors asking if they could check their garden for my parcel, cheers amazon.
 
CHokKA said:
I don't get why there are so many here that think it is ok for a delivery person to open your front door, walk into your property, leave a parcel on the floor, and then let themselves out again.
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It's OK if he doesn't break or nick anything. Frankly I'd prefer him to leave it in my house rather than dropping it on the doorstep where anyone can walk off with it.

And seriously, who leaves their front door unlocked? That's the real problem here.
 
cheesyboy said:
If I ever wind up in A&E with a Barbie Doll in my arse, I'm just going to give it to them straight "yeah, it was a massive fap which went a bit far". People need to take ownership of that ****. You look far more ridiculous by trying to deny it all.


:D
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How did this get from delivery men to sticking things up your arse?......oh never mind....
 
When I used to deliver, if your door looked like a porch and there's no reply then it's worth checking if it's open rather than leaving card. Also, if the door was slightly open then it's fine to put the packet inside that. You're basically complaining that you got your parcel delivered. Would you have made a thread if you got a card too?
 
cheesyboy said:
If I ever wind up in A&E with a Barbie Doll in my arse, I'm just going to give it to them straight "yeah, it was a massive fap which went a bit far". People need to take ownership of that ****. You look far more ridiculous by trying to deny it all.
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That's pretty tame if it's your definition of 'too far' :p:p;)
 
CHokKA said:
I don't get why there are so many here that think it is ok for a delivery person to open your front door, walk into your property, leave a parcel on the floor, and then let themselves out again.
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The OP doesnt say the courier opened the door.

It all depends on context though - if you live in a village and get on well with postie, then I dont see the problem (both leaving door unlocked and them dropping parcel inside). If you live in the middle of a city, then its a different matter enitrely
 
Seems a bit hasty to drop the package off but I don't understand how you saw the door c losing but he managed to drive off before you got to the door. Do you have a massssssive staircase?

Either way seems like he did you a favour and saved you a trip to your local depot! :D
 
Evangelion said:
It's OK if he doesn't break or nick anything. Frankly I'd prefer him to leave it in my house rather than dropping it on the doorstep where anyone can walk off with it.

And seriously, who leaves their front door unlocked? That's the real problem here.
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No it isn't. It is definitely not ok for someone you don't know, who hasn't been invited, to let themselves into your house for any reason. I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. Delivering a parcel isn't a good enough reason to open a door and walk in, and neither is going in with the intent to steal. Either way that person shouldn't be in your house because you didn't tell them that they could go in.
 
redeye_uk said:
The OP doesnt say the courier opened the door.
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But he did say that he heard the doorbell, and then walked down to see the delivery person closing the door behind them, parcel on the floor. It is safe to assume that given that he is posting here, that the door wasn't already wide open, just unlocked, right?

Even if it was, what some here are saying is that it is ok for a delivery person to firstly try the door to see if it's unlocked, then on discovering it is unlocked, opening it, and then finally entering the property to then put the parcel on the floor. None of which is ok in the slightest. At the end of the day it is your home, and nobody should be allowed into that personal space without your express consent, regardless of whether the door is unlocked or not. It worries me that delivery people even try a door to see if it is unlocked. That in itself is really dodgy and regardless of convenience of now having the parcel due to the circumstances, I'd be making a complaint to both Amazon and the delivery company because that is simply not alright.
 
CHokKA said:
But he did say that he heard the doorbell, and then walked down to see the delivery person closing the door behind them, parcel on the floor. It is safe to assume that given that he is posting here, that the door wasn't already wide open, just unlocked, right?
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So perhaps the door was already open, courier puts parcel just inside house, rings bell to alert owner, then walks off.

Doesnt sound that far fetched
 
redeye_uk said:
So perhaps the door was already open, courier puts parcel just inside house, rings bell to alert owner, then walks off.

Doesnt sound that far fetched
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No, it doesn't sound far fetched at all. However, what we've been discussing here is centred around the door being closed and unlocked, not wide open to the world.
 
CHokKA said:
No it isn't. It is definitely not ok for someone you don't know, who hasn't been invited, to let themselves into your house for any reason.
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I agree! Read my post. I'm not saying it's 'OK for someone you don't know, who hasn't been invited, to let themselves into your house for any reason.'

I'm saying I believe it's OK for a delivery guy to enter my house for the sole purpose of delivering something I've ordered, provided he doesn't break or nick anything.

In real life this wouldn't happen anyway, because unlike the OP I don't leave my front door unlocked. But if it did and the scenario played out as it has done for the OP, I wouldn't be chucking a wobbly.

Delivering a parcel isn't a good enough reason to open a door and walk in
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It is if (a) you've been instructed to do so, (b) the owner's dumb enough to leave his front door unlocked, and (c) delivering an order is your only reason for entering.

and neither is going in with the intent to steal.
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I never said it was. Read my post; I explicitly ruled out theft! Good grief.

Either way that person shouldn't be in your house because you didn't tell them that they could go in.
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By your logic they shouldn't even be on your property because you didn't tell them they could come round in the first place. All you did was order something. You didn't give any instructions or permission to the delivery guy. :rolleyes:

The OP's story sounds very strange to me. Saw the door being closed but couldn't catch the delivery guy in time? Something's not right here.
 
gothic_hobbit said:
That's amazon logistics for you.

People are bitching and complaining about them on the amazon message boards.
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That's not saying much though, people bitch and moan about each and every delivery company without fail, Amazon just happens to have more customers.
 
Evangelion said:
The OP's story sounds very strange to me. Saw the door being closed but couldn't catch the delivery guy in time? Something's not right here.
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OP is in a club, which we don't talk about (let's call it GD club - but don't talk about it!)
OP suffers blackouts
OP ordered sequined lingerie in his size from popular online etailer
Days pass
Sequined lingerie makes its way to OPs house
OP is busy researching the history of leather goods when parcel arrives
Delivery driver fails to gain access so leaves a card
OP finds card
OP, upset at missing delivery of sequined lingerie, swallows 4 packets of skittles and everything goes a bit hazy
OP wakes with a strange ringing sound in his head and goes downstairs
OP suffers monumental deja vu at seeing an Amazon box on his hall floor
OP sees a shadowy figure rushing out of the door but, try as he might, cannot catch the figure
Why?
Because there was no delivery guy!!! OP IS Tyler Durden and collected the parcel himself!!!
 
Evangelion said:
I agree! Read my post. I'm not saying it's 'OK for someone you don't know, who hasn't been invited, to let themselves into your house for any reason.'

I'm saying I believe it's OK for a delivery guy to enter my house for the sole purpose of delivering something I've ordered, provided he doesn't break or nick anything.

In real life this wouldn't happen anyway, because unlike the OP I don't leave my front door unlocked. But if it did and the scenario played out as it has done for the OP, I wouldn't be chucking a wobbly.



It is if (a) you've been instructed to do so, (b) the owner's dumb enough to leave his front door unlocked, and (c) delivering an order is your only reason for entering.



I never said it was. Read my post; I explicitly ruled out theft! Good grief.



By your logic they shouldn't even be on your property because you didn't tell them they could come round in the first place. All you did was order something. You didn't give any instructions or permission to the delivery guy. :rolleyes:

The OP's story sounds very strange to me. Saw the door being closed but couldn't catch the delivery guy in time? Something's not right here.
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You seem to think that everything I've said is aimed solely at you. It wasn't, I quoted your post and then reiterated what I've been saying throughout my posts in this thread. No need for the dreaded rolleyes to make an appearance.
 
Yesterday UPS left a package INSIDE my food bin. Box was covered in bin juice.

Where do I complain?! :mad:
 
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