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Price aside GTX 780 or R9 290?

MjFrosty said:
You're opening up a can of worms with that one.

Those of us that have been around the houses will mostly tell you that NV tops it for plug and play - game on attitude.

AMDs offerings offer the performance to match, but it's only been in the last couple of years they've caught up considerably. A lot of the driver rubbishing comes from past tense with Crossfire / Power Play and general Catalyst A.I bugs that were a pest, most of which are now resolved on Hawaii.

Both are fairly evenly matched these days to summarise, but NV still have the upper hand when it comes good well rounded consumerism out of the box. If this wasn't the case, then I'm sure the difference in price over the years would have settled itself.
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This is not a slight against your post at all, just a viewpoint from someone who jumps in and out of PC tech every 12/24 months. I could have logged on a year, 2, 3, 4 or more years ago and read the exact same thing. I'm not sure whether this is just a perception problem, but the view that Nvidia have the more polished product yet AMD have pretty much caught up with the most recent offerings feels as old as the hills! It's like they never quite get there.

FWIW I've never had a disproportionate amount of problems with either, but it's funny logging back on here with year gaps and reading the same thing.
 
Rusty0611 said:
The problem you're all making is that you're taking it as an absolute statement with two outcomes: works out the box or doesn't work out the box. Which is true when looking at your own experience in isolation but it doesn't reflect the statistical probability of having to make work arounds using card 'x'. For me, my 7950s were flawless when I had them running most of the time. CF and Eyefinity was a little bit messy when combined together but other than that they were alright. Skyrim needed RP to fix it which wasn't a problem for me but it's true that in that scenario the Radeons required more fiddling to get to GeForce standards.

I'm always by definition extremely sceptical about across the board statements but I think some of you are being a bit rude and aggressive to people with differing opinions which invariably are based on their own experiences. Some of the cries of 'if you had to do any fiddling you're a dunce' are a bit insulting but I'm hardly surprised the way this sub forum is going lately.
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+1

Excellent post.
 
Adrianr said:
This is not a slight against your post at all, just a viewpoint from someone who jumps in and out of PC tech every 12/24 months. I could have logged on a year, 2, 3, 4 or more years ago and read the exact same thing. I'm not sure whether this is just a perception problem, but the view that Nvidia have the more polished product yet AMD have pretty much caught up with the most recent offerings feels as old as the hills! It's like they never quite get there.

FWIW I've never had a disproportionate amount of problems with either, but it's funny logging back on here with year gaps and reading the same thing.
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Well they are, even after the merge still pretty much the same two companies. Each with their own mistakes! I think people just tend to read it as "NV is better than AMD." That's not the case, as people will be quick to point out with their cheaper purchase and very happy one at that most of the time. You do get the product you've paid for with AMD as much as you do NV, but being that they are two completely separate companies, there is certain things that one do better than the other. Nvidia is by no means a consumer friendly corporation, they refuse to grant users to much control over their products and consistently clamp down on hardware tweaking. With that in mind it is quite obvious that Nvidia do not support overclocking, or the hardware enthusiasts that purchase their top tier products.

AMD made ATi a much more liberal company when you consider the contrast. They're very open with their customers and allow us much more control over the hardware. I don't know about you but I've been doing this for a very long time - and it's no different to rumours that you hear regarding car manufactures. French cars "unreliable". It's a blanket statement, but it's held truth in the past and still does in the present in certain regard, just no where near as much. It's difficult to shake bad rep. There is no one true answer as both offer very similar performance these days, but that is why when it boils down to someone asking outright what would you buy, it comes down to the straws that people think some members are clutching at. As a gamer, those straws are what makes that decision easier.
 
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Rusty0611 said:
The problem you're all making is that you're taking it as an absolute statement with two outcomes: works out the box or doesn't work out the box. Which is true when looking at your own experience in isolation but it doesn't reflect the statistical probability of having to make work arounds using card 'x'. For me, my 7950s were flawless when I had them running most of the time. CF and Eyefinity was a little bit messy when combined together but other than that they were alright. Skyrim needed RP to fix it which wasn't a problem for me but it's true that in that scenario the Radeons required more fiddling to get to GeForce standards.

I'm always by definition extremely sceptical about across the board statements but I think some of you are being a bit rude and aggressive to people with differing opinions which invariably are based on their own experiences. Some of the cries of 'if you had to do any fiddling you're a dunce' are a bit insulting but I'm hardly surprised the way this sub forum is going lately.
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Coming in here with your fancy reasoning and impeccable logic.... ;)
 
I've had both nVidia and AMD cards.. no problems with either of them and never really had to RMA any.
I too was in the situation of getting either a 290 or a 770/780, but decided to get a 290 from another forum. After a few searching around before buying, i managed to get one where i could flash the bios and unlock the extra shaders of my 290 so it becomes a 290x so i'm pretty much saving myself an extra £100-150.
Otherwise i would have got the 780... unfortunately it was out of my budget
 
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XiS111 said:
I've had both nVidia and AMD cards.. no problems with either of them and never really had to RMA any.
I too was in the situation of getting either a 290 or a 770/780, but decided to get a 290 from another forum. After a few searching around before buying, i managed to get one where i could flash the bios and unlock the extra shaders of my 290 so it becomes a 290x so i'm pretty much saving myself an extra £100-150.
Otherwise i would have got the 780... unfortunately it was out of my budget
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hmmmm... R9 290X unlock, now thats an idea, AMD still owe me for my 6950 which wouldn't unlock to a 6970 :D

I was cheated :eek::p
 
Darujhistan said:
All the years and you can't get games to run properly?

I never have any trouble getting any game to run properly.
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I have no idea what you are saying? "All the years" means what exactly? And if you read my post you will see that I said "I needed to run with +20 on the power target to get games to run properly" If I didn't set +20 on the power target, games would crash.

I am glad you never have any trouble but I wasn't as lucky as you :)
 
780 vs 290....Depends, if I was buying a reference card and money wasn't an issue I would go with 780, less power and runs cooler, I would pay the premium for better acoustics. If I was buying a reference card with the intention of Watercooling it I would go with the 290 as it's friendly for overclockers and mantle/true audio has more legs then Physx imo. If your buying a custom card I would go with the card that has best and longest warranty, your spending that much cash I would like to thing the manufacturer will stand by it for 3 years.

In terms of drivers and such I've being swapping between ATI/AMD and Nvidia cards for years I'm as loyal as dog to the person who's holding the biggest biscuit. I can honestly say I've never had any troubles with the drivers from either of these two companies and all the talk of so called 'driver issues' gets blown way out of proportion. The fact is people tamper around with clock speeds, memory, voltages, fan profiles and they don't really know what they are doing which leads to damage they then blame the damage on AMD/Nvidia.
 
Well i've learnt one thing from this thread, AMD cards get more bedroom action than nvidia cards. Allways getting fiddled with, dirty tarts those AMD cards.
 
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