Poll: Winter Is Coming - HBO's A Game of Thrones [READ WARNING]

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Who will rule Westeros?

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robfosters said:
Now her husband and her son are dead, who is rightful heir and how powerful is Cersei still?

Surely some of her power dissipates with the deaths of her husband and son.
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As others have said, the next in line would be the next sibling, as Joffrey had no children (much as Harry would be next in line after William if he hadnt had his kid). So that makes the next in line Tommen, ironically that should actually mean that if anything Cersei will grow in power, because if anything she, as mother to the king and Tommen being so young, would essentially be overseeing everything he does and whereas Joffery was also young he was old enough to have his own ideas , but Tommen isnt old enough for that.
 
I take it that was Tommen sitting beside Tyrion at the wedding? He grew up fast! Last we saw of him he was about 6 years old.
 
Hmm, the wedding wasn't consumated but Marjorie has been working the commoners of King's Landing for a while now so I wouldn't be surprised if she has public backing to be Queen.

The Lannisters will push for Tommen (shown quite a few times in the last episode) but I really wouldn't want to be him right now!
 
Would it not be correct to say that both Margery and Tommen have a claim to the throne now? As Joffrey had no children, Tommen could be seen as his heir. Yet, as Joffrey's widow, wouldn't Margery also have a claim? I certainly can't see the Tyrells dropping any claim to power, no matter how tenuous. I'm not sure the Lannisters can actually hold the Iron Throne without them, either. They are dependent on the Tyrells for food, having laid waste to much of the Riverlands, and without Tyrell military support, there are a number of potential uneasy alliances that could challenge the Iron Throne. Dorne and The Eyrie have successfully avoided joining the war for the Iron Throne thus far, and Stannis isn't out of the equation yet.

So what comes next? A peaceful resolution, or war between House Lannister and House Tyrell? I think the former, as neither house would want to risk defeat or the vulnerability that victory would bring.

If it was Olena who killed Joffrey then I guess it's probable that she already has a plan for what comes next. I guess we'll start to see that unfolding next week.
 
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satchef1 said:
Would it not be correct to say that both Margery and Tommen have a claim to the throne now? As Joffrey had no children, Tommen could be seen as his heir. Yet, as Joffrey's widow, wouldn't Margery also have a claim?
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I'm not sure it would work like that, given that Cersei didn't become queen when Robert died and in our world, Elizabeth the Queen Mother didn't become Queen when George VI died.

If anything I imagine that it would technically make Margery the Queen Dowager, as our own Queen Mother was after George VIs death, but not Queen.
 
Are people even asking this? Of Course Tommen is next in line seeing as how he's Robert's Second son (even though he isn't). What claim does Margery have? The wedding wasn't consumated.
 
I just sat there with my mouth open at the end of this last episode......brilliant! :)

And if it happened how people are saying it did.....genius..
 
Even if Marjorie had consumated the marriage she has no claim (assuming it works similar to the real world), Cersei had no claim when Robert died.

So it falls to Tommen, but Cersei wasn't powerless with Joffrey on the throne so she'll still have a lot of influence.
 
Tombstone said:
I'm not sure it would work like that, given that Cersei didn't become queen when Robert died and in our world, Elizabeth the Queen Mother didn't become Queen when George VI died.

If anything I imagine that it would technically make Margery the Queen Dowager, as our own Queen Mother was after George VIs death, but not Queen.
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You're right, not possible. Reading up, there hasn't been a Queen of Westeros - the laws of succession put all male heirs - even cousins and second cousins - above female heirs. In the event of the King's death, the throne would fall to the next male heir. That does say interesting things about Dany and her claim to the Iron Throne, as it would technically mean that Stannis is the rightful heir (they are second cousins).

Still, the Lannisters will need to appease the Tyrells. Even if they don't have a claim to the throne themselves, they could still walk away from King's Landing, leaving it starving and vulnerable to attack.

Morfik said:
Even if Marjorie had consumated the marriage she has no claim (assuming it works similar to the real world), Cersei had no claim when Robert died.

So it falls to Tommen, but Cersei wasn't powerless with Joffrey on the throne so she'll still have a lot of influence.
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It's not really the same situation, so it was possible. Robert had children, Joffrey did not. I wasn't initially sure who rules upon the King's death - the king's brother or the king's wife. It would be entirely dependent on the rules of succession (which, in this case, are very clear).

Lord-Jaffa said:
Are people even asking this? Of Course Tommen is next in line seeing as how he's Robert's Second son (even though he isn't). What claim does Margery have? The wedding wasn't consumated.
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If you're powerful enough to claim the throne then you only need a tenuous link to stake a claim, especially when other powerful claimants have equally tenuous claims. Had the laws of succession put wives above brothers then the marriage not being consummated would have been brushed aside as a minor detail. As we've seen, being the rightful heir to the throne matters less than being powerful enough to claim it.

It's a moot point though given how far down the succession order women fall.
 
Rybo89 said:
King? There is a queen now?
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remember that she is only queen by marriage, she doesn't get the same rights to the throne once her husband has gone.

She is only the queen consort.

TrixiBuG said:
She hasn't been crowned queen either so I guess she just goes back to Highgarden?

Isn't Cercei supposed to marry Prince Loras? Isn't that what she said to Jaime when he came back?
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She wouldn't be crowned queen and have a coronation ceremony. She becomes queen consort the moment she marries the king. The same will happen with Kate Middleton once William is king. She will likely be a very popular queen consort.

satchef1 said:
Would it not be correct to say that both Margery and Tommen have a claim to the throne now? As Joffrey had no children, Tommen could be seen as his heir. Yet, as Joffrey's widow, wouldn't Margery also have a claim? I certainly can't see the Tyrells dropping any claim to power, no matter how tenuous. ]
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No. The person who marries the king / queen has no legitimate claim to the throne themselves. This is why the Duke of Edinburgh would not become King if the queen were to die tomorrow.

satchef1 said:
If you're powerful enough to claim the throne then you only need a tenuous link to stake a claim, especially when other powerful claimants have equally tenuous claims. Had the laws of succession put wives above brothers then the marriage not being consummated would have been brushed aside as a minor detail. As we've seen, being the rightful heir to the throne matters less than being powerful enough to claim it.

It's a moot point though given how far down the succession order women fall.
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Indeed, Britain only recently changed the rules of succession to allow women equal rights to the throne
 
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I was under the impression that the poison was aimed at Marjorie, need to watch again but I distinctly remember the cup was handed out from Marjorie's side of table. By chance, it killed King Joffery...

Remember, she still had the poison from when the enemies were knocking at the gates.
 
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