David Moyes disgracefully sacked

[G|mp]

It's fine, Moyes spent more than Wenger this season.

Moyes probably spent more than Wenger most seasons

You need to remember it's not Arsenal supporters who are sacking Moyes, it is United

I'm pointing out the fact that you're mocking Man Utd yet you have failed to beat them twice this season. In fact we beat you when you were all still in your "We're going to win the league, champions league and World Cup" phase.

 

[FrankJH]

sounding very fabregas again ie ''we're man utd, we'll get who we want''

why would klopp want to come? how much is he currently on and could you better it. would he leave cl football?

van gaal wouldn't be happy knowing he was not first choice if an approach for klopp was made and he rejected.

Higher profile club, more likely to challange consistently for the league and other titles ( with the right purchases), cant see Utd not beimg able to match at the very least whatever he is on currently

 

[Five.Stars]

Remember Liverpool also had a completely different financial situation compared to Utd currently, so not directly comparable. Its also debatable that the G&H might have had to go before Liverpool were to sustain a challange. Utd arecmuch stronger in that department despite the loan payments etc

Yes I will concede those points to you.

But despite United's financial position, they still don't have the financial muscle to compete with City and probably Chelsea. If you take away the loan payments, then they are as cash rich as any club in the world pretty much. But they do have to service that debt, which stops them from competing financially with the richest clubs in Europe - 2 of which play in the same league!

Maybe FFP will enable them to compete on that front.

 

[G|mp]

I would love the Ancelloti eyebrow at OT.

If Real miss out on La Liga and the CL it's a real possibility given that they sack any ****er at will.

 

[Five.Stars]

Higher profile club, more likely to challange consistently for the league and other titles ( with the right purchases), cant see Utd not beimg able to match at the very least whatever he is on currently

United could probably double or treble the salary of Klopp. But by all acooungs he has a 4 year contract and is a man who is regarded as someone who will honour that contract and not go chasing the money!

But if there was a concrete offer, who knows?

In fact, I would think Moyes is probably on more than double Klopps current salary.

 

[Moothead2]

Higher profile club, more likely to challange consistently for the league and other titles ( with the right purchases), cant see Utd not beimg able to match at the very least whatever he is on currently

Dortmund should easily be able to compete with Bayern next year if they aren't plagued with injuries again. They've beaten them twice in the last 12 months, are in another final against them in May and were unlucky not to make the CL Semi-finals again. United may be a higher profile club but it doesn't mean it's a better prospect.

 

[FrankJH]

Yes I will concede those points to you.

But despite United's financial position, they still don't have the financial muscle to compete with City and probably Chelsea. If you take away the loan payments, then they are as cash rich as any club in the world pretty much. But they do have to service that debt, which stops them from competing financially with the richest clubs in Europe - 2 of which play in the same league!

Maybe FFP will enable them to compete on that front.

Actually we are much better off than any other English team as owners wealth is no longer a factor.

Loan paymwnts are actually pretty minimal ( although Utd usually pay off more than the minimu,m of ~20m a season)

Fifa are currently lookimg into the etihad sponsorship deal ( I think the results are due in May) to see if it was out of "whack" qith similar deals.

With the Chevy shirt deal and Nike about to sign a huge kit deal Utd are able to compete on a level with everyone else ( it could be argued that Utd might even be slightly ahead from the fact that a lot of players might step straight into 1st team rather tham sitting on the bench at Chelsea or City)

 

[Five.Stars]

Dortmund should easily be able to compete with Bayern next year if they aren't plagued with injuries again. They've beaten them twice in the last 12 months, are in another final against them in May and were unlucky not to make the CL Semi-finals again. United may be a higher profile club but it doesn't mean it's a better prospect.

Dortmund are losing Lewandowski (to Bayern) and will also likely be unable to keep hold of Hummels and Gundogan. So they may have to rebuild.

He would be as well rebuilding at Old Trafford on €6 million as opposed to at BVB on ~€3 million. With probably much more money to rebuild squad with also.

I don't think he will go, but you can certainly make a case for it being an attractive opportunity.

 

[FrankJH]

Dortmund should easily be able to compete with Bayern next year if they aren't plagued with injuries again. They've beaten them twice in the last 12 months, are in another final against them in May and were unlucky not to make the CL Semi-finals again. United may be a higher profile club but it doesn't mean it's a better prospect.

If they keep all their current squad, and being a WC summer that cant be gaurenteed

Its also what they expected this season, but that hasnt happened. Something else might occur next year...beatimg one team twice doesnt make a good season




Gundogen wont plqy in the WC as he has beem out most of the season, So I cant see any team buying him this summer.....there was also a rumour the other day he had signed an extension

 

[Five.Stars]

Actually we are much better off than any other English team as owners wealth is no longer a factor.

Loan paymwnts are actually pretty minimal ( although Utd usually pay off more than the minimu,m of ~20m a season)

Fifa are currently lookimg into the etihad sponsorship deal ( I think the results are due in May) to see if it was out of "whack" qith similar deals.

With the Chevy shirt deal and Nike about to sign a huge kit deal Utd are able to compete on a level with everyone else ( it could be argued that Utd might even be slightly ahead from the fact that a lot of players might step straight into 1st team rather tham sitting on the bench at Chelsea or City)

You may well be correct. Certainly in terms of revenue generated, then United are by far and away the largest. Followed by Arsenal I would imagine (will stand to be corrected on that).

 

[Robbo]

sounding very fabregas again ie ''we're man utd, we'll get who we want''

why would klopp want to come? how much is he currently on and could you better it. would he leave cl football?

van gaal wouldn't be happy knowing he was not first choice if an approach for klopp was made and he rejected.

Do you have trouble reading or something? I said "we'll try", not that we definitely will.

But yes, we could offer Klopp a much better overall package I'm sure, and he wouldn't have to worry about his best players being poached every year.

Van Gaal wants to manage in the Premier League and we're the best he'll get, so I'm pretty confident we'd get him ahead of the likes of Spurs.

I would love the Ancelloti eyebrow at OT.

If Real miss out on La Liga and the CL it's a real possibility given that they sack any ****er at will.

I'd love Ancelotti as well, if he wins the Champions League and/or La Liga they probably won't sack him though.

 

[FrankJH]

Klopp
Ancelotti ( not because of this but really hoping AM do the double)
van Gaal

Would be my choice

 

[Robbo]

Why Manchester United have to go for Jürgen Klopp: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ester-United-have-to-go-for-Jurgen-Klopp.html

One issue though, Barcelona will likely sack Martino and they might want Klopp too.

 

[Loki]

If its true and every suggests that Moyes will be gone, then Klopp would be the more logical replacement for the short/medium and long term.

When it was announced Moyes was going to replace Fergie, a lot of fans were guarded on the appointment but would certainly give him time to rebuild. A relatively poor start with the odd glimmer here and there. From December it just went from bad to worse. Illogical team selections, the constant love showered on Rooney with RVP taking second fiddle. What has got most Utd's fans backs up, probably more so than the results, is the manner of the results. Just not good enough.

At least Klopp has a reputation for being a bit of a fire brand maverick. He is an arrogant SoB which is what is needed for the job. He plays attacking football.

If we were to get him, I think he would be afforded a lot more time and patience then Moyes by the fact he plays good football from a solid foundation. Even this year when Dortmund have been hammered with injuries, the team have looked solid, they had a plan. When Bayern beat them in the first game before Xmas, two moments of brilliance separated the two teams despite a much depleted squad. By enlarge, we have had the same squad, added to it and looked clueless and without any direction or motivation whatsoever.

Van Gaal is the obvious safe choice but he would only steady the ship short term and bring his own baggage.

Interesting tweet from someone I know last night after the Everton Game, it's all about saving NEXT SEASON. I think he hit the nail on the head

 

[Five.Stars]

Klopp
Ancelotti ( not because of this but really hoping AM do the double)
van Gaal

Would be my choice

Whoever it is, they need to have experience of winning things at thehighest level. Any management appointment is a gamble to some extent, but it is a bigger gamble to appoint someone inexperienced (at managing a club with big expectations).

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Klopp, Simeone and martinez look like the future of being great managers. Any 3 of them would do a good job at any club they go to.

 

[FrankJH]

Why Manchester United have to go for Jürgen Klopp: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ester-United-have-to-go-for-Jurgen-Klopp.html

One issue though, Barcelona will likely sack Martino and they might want Klopp too.

Wonders if managerial changes are affected by the transfer ban (I doubt it) if the appeal is turned down of course

 

[Moothead2]

Dortmund are losing Lewandowski (to Bayern) and will also likely be unable to keep hold of Hummels and Gundogan. So they may have to rebuild.

He would be as well rebuilding at Old Trafford on €6 million as opposed to at BVB on ~€3 million. With probably much more money to rebuild squad with also.

I don't think he will go, but you can certainly make a case for it being an attractive opportunity.

Fair point but if they can keep the likes of Reus (should do as a local lad), Gundogan (considering he's been injured all season I can't help but think he'll be there for at least another season), Hummels and Mkhitaryan and having luck regarding injuries they'll still be able to put pressure on Bayern. They've also already brought in Adrian Ramos in who's got a good goal scoring record in a much weaker team and Aubamayang does a good job as a striker too and RM will be covered when Blaszkowski returns from injury. I also can't see him giving up CL football just yet.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Wonders if managerial changes are affected by the transfer ban (I doubt it) if the appeal is turned down of course

I hadn't actually thought of it in those terms, signing a manager, could do. But it could effect the managerial changes in so much as. A slightly struggling barca squad with no real CB's that desperately needs some changes will make a manager think twice about taking over there. Still a great job but with Real very strong and also Atletico strong as hell now and difficultly fixing Barca with no transfer activity it's a tougher job than otherwise would be and with a club so massively used to winning stuff every year, multiple cups every year, not winning anything for even one year is seen as a massive failure.

A huge rebuild at Utd is an equally difficult job but improving Utd would be ridiculously easier than improving Barca, particularly when he would have the ability to bring in who he wanted.

 

[Five.Stars]

Wonders if managerial changes are affected by the transfer ban (I doubt it) if the appeal is turned down of course

No, it is a player registration ban.

That said, Barcelona look in almost as much need of a rebuilding job as Manchester United, so in that sense if United could put together an attractive package, there is no reason why they couldn't compete with Barca for Klopp's signature. Given Barca's inability to rebuild with signings (assuming ban stands).