David Moyes disgracefully sacked

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I think that Moyes was just the fall guy brought in after Fergie - basically set up to fail so that a decent manager could then take over with significantly less pressure put upon them.

They wouldn't have given him a 6 year contract if that was the case and they wouldn't have sanctioned spending 27m on Fellaini.

He was expected to be there for the long haul. He had low expectations on him and all he had to do this season to keep his job was get into the top 4. He regressed our football which, lets be honest hasn't been exciting or brilliant for years. He messed up a transfer window last summer when he could have fixed quite a few issues.

Nothing Moyes has done suggests he was the right man for the job. Honestly, I never thought he was going to be good enough but I was still amazed how bad he really was. Martinez has highlighted Moyes weaknesses quite brilliantly this season by taking almost the same side to a much better finish and playing much better football.
 
You're surprised?

I was ecstatic when he got the job but was able to honestly say that it was a massive and needless risk.

I'm now gutted he's gone but at the same time I can honestly say it's for the best for Utd. It should have been done sooner.

edit: at least we've not been telling everybody he has been doing a great job like some of your lot were with Hodgson at Liverpool.

You were confident all along it would be a dreadful appointment, I hoped it would work out but it's gone exactly as you said. Disaster. :(

I find this all very odd given how long it took Fergie to settle in and how their perseverance paid off for 20 years. Someone at the club it seems has a short memory.

This is basically irrelevant on so many levels, I'm afraid.
 
They'll find it difficult to attract the players now, so any incoming manager will have to show great resourcefulness. Only Martinez and Wenger I can think of acquire such attributes.

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Like Spurs failed to attract players when they didn't have CL football. Money talks.
 
They'll find it difficult to attract the players now...

They can afford (and will have to) to offer huge contracts but with a high profile manager Utd will still have enough to attract players. The only ones they're going to miss out on are the absolute top draw players who will be offered comparable money from clubs in better positions. As always, it's about signing the right players, not just spending for the sake of it as we saw with Utd this season.

Utd need to get this appointment right because a 2nd disastrous season is a lot harder to come back from.
 
I find this all very odd given how long it took Fergie to settle in and how their perseverance paid off for 20 years. Someone at the club it seems has a short memory.

They'll find it difficult to attract the players now, so any incoming manager will have to show great resourcefulness. Only Martinez and Wenger I can think of acquire such attributes.

Well to be fair I would be surprised if anyone is still around from when SAF was 1st appointed - I dont even think Charlton was as active as he has been in the last 10-15 years.

Most board spots are taken up by the Glazers and a few others

It all depends on who is chosen, Im sure a few foreign managers (who have alreadly been mentioned) will be able to get 2 - 3 big stars in wityhout a problem to improve the 1st team, the squad as a whole will of course take longer
 
They can afford (and will have to) to offer huge contracts but with a high profile manager Utd will still have enough to attract players. The only ones they're going to miss out on are the absolute top draw players who will be offered comparable money from clubs in better positions. As always, it's about signing the right players, not just spending for the sake of it as we saw with Utd this season.

Utd need to get this appointment right because a 2nd disastrous season is a lot harder to come back from.

This.
 
It's all paper talk about Guadiola, Fergie met him in New York to sound him out about the United job and he didn't want it then so why on earth would he want it now. Papers clutching at straws again to throw in a name no one had thought of, there's a reason why that was the case.

Lets see how much Azza is laughing when we turn to Everton for another manager ;)
 
Improving that squad is the easiest job in football. That's no joke either. There are literally dozens of players in England alone that would turn up tomorrow if asked that would improve them; on paper at least.
 
It's all paper talk about Guadiola, Fergie met him in New York to sound him out about the United job and he didn't want it then so why on earth would he want it now. Papers clutching at straws again to throw in a name no one had thought of, there's a reason why that was the case.

Lets see how much Azza is laughing when we turn to Everton for another manager ;)

It's a much easier job this time around. That said, I don't believe for a minute that Guardiola would take it.
 
I find this all very odd given how long it took Fergie to settle in and how their perseverance paid off for 20 years. Someone at the club it seems has a short memory.

They'll find it difficult to attract the players now, so any incoming manager will have to show great resourcefulness. Only Martinez and Wenger I can think of acquire such attributes.

This thinking has to be based on the logic that anyone given enough time can do a great job as manager, if you can't see the flaw in that logic then I really can't help.

Not all managers are good, just because they gave Fergie time doesn't mean if you pick anyone else on earth and give them several years that they will do the same job Fergie did, that logic is obviously flawed.

Time is not what let Fergie succeed, change is what Fergie used to make the team great. Change that resulted in the most successful era at the club, Moyes showed precisely no such positive change. Much like Wenger, there is no sign of change with Wenger or his teams in 8 years. Players change, identical problems persist, why would it get better. Moyes did nothing positive all year, and came out and claimed on more than one occasion he didn't know what was wrong.

Did Fergie make the team significantly worse in his first season, no, did he fail to make any changes, no, did he publicly claim he didn't know how to make them play better, no.

You can see change in a team before the team is successful. The difference in style and mentality under Rodgers was clear as day last year when they still came 7th. They didn't produce consistently good performances, but the obvious attempts to change the team was clear as day, in wins or losses. That change could have ended up being worse and the team could have been 15th this year, the important part was that there were signs of change and reason to believe it would go the other way. With moyes there has been no game, no tactical change, no performance, no transfer activity, no post/pre game words from the manager, no attitude/mentality changes at Utd this year that look like they can lead to an improved performance next year, none at all. In fact unlike rodgers, or Fergie or Martinez, or dozens of other managers, every sign has been distinctly negative.

There is not a single reason to believe Moyes would improve the team next year and only signs that he would actually make them worse again next year. Firing him was exactly the right decision.
 
It's a much easier job this time around. That said, I don't believe for a minute that Guardiola would take it.

IT's a much easier job for anyone, a proper decent European manager would become a ****ing hero now if he can turn this around. Klopp, LvG, Ancelloti etc will be falling over themselves to become the new messiah.
 
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Like Spurs failed to attract players when they didn't have CL football. Money talks.

We lost out on quite a few deals over the last few season. willian, villa, being a few.. sure we have a few but throwing money at the problem doesn't guarantee anything; as we and a few other clubs over the years have just found out.

Having said that, the club name itself will have it's attraction but players are easily lured to were they can get CL football there and now.. not be part part of a rebuilding program. This is the negative effect that the Cl has on the the rest of us.. a problem that man u and Arsenal have thus far avoided.. until now.


From what I've been reading.. this decision is bigger than the club.. but to it's investors back in the US..

it was consistency what made Fergie succeed..
 
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