UEFA Champions League/Europa League 22/23/24 April *** Spoilers ***

What on earth is that ridiculous high line by Bayern. Would like to see l'pool play them. Think they'd thrive with their pace against that.

it's because it worked, for a while, at Barca. it's a poor actual system and relies on both keeping possession but also creating so many chances the opposition can't commit more than 1 player forward. When you aren't creating the chances as Bayern now don't do, then the opposition will contain the attacks with less players, commit 2-3 players forwards and suddenly that means a full on counter with 3 on 2 over and over again.

The system only works when the team is willing to be more dynamic and less predictable upfront. Bayern just do nothing with the ball, not quite as bad as say utd, but they make it fairly easy to deal with that the opposition can burst forward at every chance and look dangerous every time.

Man utd/everton was the same. Utd couldn't actually make chances, Everton therefore felt they could commit people forward and they created great chance after great chance. You pretty much need Valdes in goal and Puyol at his best for that system to really look good. Puyol was for me the best CB in the world. He read the game great, was insanely strong, an actually brilliant defender in terms of tackling, holding up players and forcing a player where he wants them and faster than you'd think... plus a crazy intimidating haircut :p
 
I genuinely hope Pepe suffers a career ending injury soon. Such a cheating scumbag.

I don't like him, but in my opinion if someone goes down you should play on unless the ref blows. If he conceded a few goals after tarting around on the ground he'd soon stop it.
 
Even on the break there Bayern look clueless as to how to attack. You've got guys standing still across the pitch, all in what look like assigned positions as opposed to making runs and pulling the opposition out of place, creating room. You have the left winger out on the other line rather than coming narrower with the midfield also moving across and giving passing options.
 
Top save.

Even on the break there Bayern look clueless as to how to attack. You've got guys standing still across the pitch, all in what look like assigned positions as opposed to making runs and pulling the opposition out of place, creating room. You have the left winger out on the other line rather than coming narrower with the midfield also moving across and giving passing options.

I think Pep's system only looked good and was effective at Barca because they had Messi in a free role up front, Bayern have nobody like that on the end of moves, generally.
 
Top save.



I think Pep's system only looked good and was effective at Barca because they had Messi in a free role up front, Bayern have nobody like that on the end of moves, generally.

I think it's not really the Messi effect, though he helped, but was more that Barca weren't anywhere near as possession/passing oriented when guardiola took over. Barca started to look more and more stale/boring in the final year for sure and a bit the year before as well. Bayern were kind 3/4's of the way to Guardiola's system before he even took over, so all he had to do was ruin the defence and kill all the creative and direct attacking. I think the same thing has happened just much much quicker.

Also at Barca each season they had a top notch really explosive and brilliant striker upfront, first Eto'o, then Ibra, then Villa, who were at each stage new to the system and offered that defence working player that Guardiola doesn't really like to play like that.
 
Still think it was, as Muller swung for it Alonso got his leg in the way and Alonso's knee caught Muller's foot.

If that was two players running at the goal and defender behind clipped the guys leg in front as he was shooting it would be a penalty so think that should be also.
 
Real looked better with Bale on.

CR7 and Bale together in the 2nd leg and both fully fit may lead to a different result away from home. Can see Real getting a goal or two and that should be enough for them
 
Still think it was, as Muller swung for it Alonso got his leg in the way and Alonso's knee caught Muller's foot.

If that was two players running at the goal and defender behind clipped the guys leg in front as he was shooting it would be a penalty so think that should be also.

Doesn't matter Alonso got the ball first.
 
Nicely done by Madrid, they should have had at least 2 more goals though. Bayern were boring and toothless as usual.

I thought Bayern couldn't manage to step up a gear when they needed too. Not a bad performance, but a far cry from the dizzy heights they have achieved this season.

Real Madrid were, largely, excellent, defensive and lethal on the counter attack :cool:, I thought Alonso had a good game. Pepe is rubbish though.
 
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