!MUSLIM SAMWICH ARMYGEDDON!

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Like many others have said before. Subway are not responding to consumers out of compassion or understanding; It's all about the money. They've calculated that they can make more money from a larger customer base. Simples.
 
TwsT said:
Yup their are plenty of judgemental atheists too but they are judgemental through observations not through a belief system
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Do you really think it is their observations though or are they picking up a 5 for $20 on popular science and not really understanding truly what they believe. Again science is based upon massive a massive a priori framework. It's just most atheists refuse to accept that. It's easy to denounce religion when you place it under the scrutiny of science - except religion was never meant to be examined that way it is a completely different subject. Religion makes a pretty poor job of how things work compared to science but when science then tries to step into the domain of the questions religion attempts to answer it seems to fall flat on its face too.
 
Lopéz said:
If lots of people stop booking a particular hotel with a tour operator (whatever the reason - religious or otherwise) then they'll drop it.
If an item on the menu in a restaurant proves unpopular it will eventually be removed.
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So if enough people write to their local Halal Subway asking for ham do you think they will put it back on ?

EDF's next propaganda drive ? :rolleyes::p
 
Efour said:
No it is.. it really is. its not even a comparable situation.
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Why isn't it?

Muslims didn't force Subway to change, Subway changed their products to appeal to Muslims because of their beliefs.

My town has a large Italian community and lots of shops have started to stock more imported Italian brands in the place of "British" food over the years.

Should the Italians just conform or go back to their own country?
 
No they shouldn't, we want other cultures to enrich ours. Think of some of the people that can't afford to go abroad unlike most of us, at least they get some exposure to foreign cultures. British is just an amalgamation of many many foreign cultures, and the more we get the more British becomes a rich culture and the more British we effectively become. There is no sense of identity being eroded quite the opposite, and I think it is wonderful.
 
Freefaller said:
No they shouldn't, we want other cultures to enrich ours. Think of some of the people that can't afford to go abroad unlike most of us, at least they get some exposure to foreign cultures. British is just an amalgamation of many many foreign cultures, and the more we get the more British becomes a rich culture and the more British we effectively become. There is no sense of identity being eroded quite the opposite, and I think it is wonderful.
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That is the best part of the UK and the reason why we are one of the best countries on this planet, we aren't perfect but I wouldn't have it any other way.
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
Why isn't it?

Muslims didn't force Subway to change, Subway changed their products to appeal to Muslims because of their beliefs.

My town has a large Italian community and lots of shops have started to stock more imported Italian brands in the place of "British" food over the years.

Should the Italians just conform or go back to their own country?
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Dont get me wrong i'm all for multiculturalism. Jeez i grew up in London I have Taiwanese, Irish, Afghan, Chinese and Bangladeshi neighbors and that is just the first 5 terraced houses.

The reason they remove the offending product is easy as i see it

1. The franchise owners personal religious belief.
2. The offense caused by removing the item to gain potential market share is overall less than the fuss caused by the offended party.

British people tend not to kick up a fuss. Yeah its a stereotype but it is true. Compare us to you average American. We sulk and moan about it quietly but at the end of the day still accept it, even if its negative to our lifestyle.

Yeah that sounds stupid in the case of bacon and ham in a sandwich but i think it highlights the point that we tend to let stuff happen and that is why we as a country are such a diverse cultural melting pot.

Anyway...But because a shop chooses to stop selling something to appeal to a group of customers is not the same as opening a shop to cater to another group of customers.

That is all im saying.... They are 2 different entities. Removing customer choice to appease another customer base is radically different than opening a shop that sells noodles and dried mushrooms :p
 
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The Chinese supermarket might not sell Hollands Pies or Warburtons Bread, so what do you do......shop somewhere that does.

The Subways that have changed to Halal probably have a higher percentage of muslim customers than white christians. Even then I would wager a guess that most of the non-muslims don't even care.

It's just the racists who have their knickers in a twist over somewhere they probably don't eat from anyway.
 
Lopéz said:
If lots of people stop booking a particular hotel with a tour operator (whatever the reason - religious or otherwise) then they'll drop it.
If an item on the menu in a restaurant proves unpopular it will eventually be removed.

There wasn't this level of outcry when McDonalds dropped their Supersize range, or the Mega Mac, or the Double Quarter Pounder, was there? Wasn't that due to consumer demand and pressures from the healthy eating bandwagon?

I don't understand how this is any different. People are just getting their knickers in a twist because it's religion driven, rather than some other form of cultural or individual belief system. The fact that it's Islam in particular just makes certain people more blind, hateful and prejudiced.
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But the whole point of this is that you are placating a religion that is discriminatory right down to the core, yet you extol virtues about freedom of choice and anti discrimination. How can you reconcile the two?

The muslims will never relent in their discriminatory ways but you are saying that's fine we welcome you and we will change to welcome you and we won't be discriminatory against you and will allow you to continue your abhorrent descrimination against others.
 
So we should, as a country, discriminate against people if we feel they discriminate against other? Are you saying it OK to be racist so long as you think the person you are being racist towards is also racist?
 
The Running Man said:
But the whole point of this is that you are placating a religion that is discriminatory right down to the core, yet you extol virtues about freedom of choice and anti discrimination. How can you reconcile the two?

The muslims will never relent in their discriminatory ways but you are saying that's fine we welcome you and we will change to welcome you and we won't be discriminatory against you and will allow you to continue your abhorrent descrimination against others.
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Christianity has a fairly sketchy past, just look at the Crusades and the Dark Ages.

You can't judge a whole group of people based on some religious texts, there are lots of decent muslims and there are a lot of fruitcake jihadists, just like any group of people on the planet.
 
edgedemon said:
What is the problem with this.
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Well, Just because people are not vegetarian/vegan doesn't mean they hate animals, I eat meat but I am against killing for sport, and while I respect peoples religious beliefs I personally will not knowingly eat Halal meat out of principle, Knowing my food was killed in a horrific way just to satisfy a god I don't believe in doesn't sit right with me so Subway just lost a customer.
 
They'll be losing more customers than they make, doesn't sound like good business sense to me.

I won't be eating there again, halal meat is cruel.

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I must admit i really don't care about eating Halal killed meat, its nearly always cheaper I had a tight food budget.
Here in Sweden the circle of people i know are very adamant against it on the slaughter method alone.
Its funny the fuss they kick up in the shops when the tiny range of products increases.
Im fairly sure none of the pork is Halal here either,,, wakka wakka !!!

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Skeeter said:
So we should, as a country, discriminate against people if we feel they discriminate against other? Are you saying it OK to be racist so long as you think the person you are being racist towards is also racist?
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Isn't that what we do against Nazi's or fascists ? To protect the freedom of the majority we must impede upon those who wish to inflict descrimination onto the masses.

We punish those who are racist or sexist. Not encourage them. Yet islam openly discriminates based upon religious beliefs, gender, sexual orientation and you want to not only appease this but think it would be a good idea to encourage it's growth in this country?
 
Lopéz said:
There wasn't this level of outcry when McDonalds dropped their Supersize range, or the Mega Mac, or the Double Quarter Pounder, was there? Wasn't that due to consumer demand and pressures from the healthy eating bandwagon?
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I'll have you know I was and still am when the Mega Mac was stopped at my local McDonalds! :D
 
PsychoPigeon said:
why do the left defend muslims but attack christians?
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Christian extremists have always been worse than Muslims, many many more people have died and suffered in the name of Christ than any other religion.

All religion is dumb, but the worship of Christ has twisted history and society more than any other,
 
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