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Someone give the man some bacon ffs
!MUSLIM SAMWICH ARMYGEDDON!
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hmm right off to have a bacon sarnie cya
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No he doesn't. He's absolutely correct in what he says. Any intelligent free thinking person who studies theology can clearly see that religion is man made and not divinely inspired.
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That's about as wrong as one can be, in fact some of the greatest minds have left room for religion.
Any intelligent free thinking person can clearly see that people have their own reasons for having various different belief systems, and don't hold bigoted opinions on how if you believe something that they don't, that you are thick or mentally ill.
Incidentally, it's the thick that usually come out with these sort of "opinions".
can we have a round of my gods better than your god ?
Carrie Fishers pants Vs islam
I've went for a non bikini pic due to this being a family forum
vs
but 70s/80s Carrie Fisher is far better looking than the prophet.
doesn't tell me I cant eat bacon
princess leias back story is far more believable. (all hail the messenger George Lucas.)
Carrie Fishers pants Vs islam
I've went for a non bikini pic due to this being a family forum
vs
but 70s/80s Carrie Fisher is far better looking than the prophet.
doesn't tell me I cant eat bacon
princess leias back story is far more believable. (all hail the messenger George Lucas.)
in all honesty what would you rather worship?
a pair of early 80's Carrie Fishers undercrackers or some other religion?
Yes and they were wrong. Religion relies on faith. Faith is belief without evidence. It's what children do with Santa Claus. All we have is the claims of holy books. Claims of holy books claiming that they are proof of god are a logical fallacy. A claim can not be in it's self be proof of the claim it makes. This is circular reasoning and fallacious. So what are we left with ? Well, apart from con men and alleged prophets claiming to have a direct line to god, not much really. Holy books contradict themselves with shocking regularity, their professed divine morality is abhorrent, and primitive, secular morality is far superior.
To believe in god, you must believe there is some evidence for the numinous, some validity to the transcendent, some evidence of the divine in order to avoid the childish magical and wishful thinking which faith on it's own promulgates.
There is an inverse correlation between intelligence/knowledge and a belief in a deity. The more information a society has, the better educated they are, the less likely they are to believe in sky pixies.
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No. I study theology, have done most of my life. I've read the books of Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Carl Sagan, Lawrence Krauss and others. I've seen scores of theological debates between atheists and theists. I'm not saying I'm an expert on the subject, far from it, but from what I've learned, it's self evident that man made god and not vice versa.
If you wanted to make an argument for a deistic creator, then we might have something to talk about there, although to be honest, there's no evidence for that either, it's basically an exercise in mental masturbation. However, the argument for the interventionist theistic creator, has nothing going in it's favour. There simply isn't a single shred of reliable evidence in favour of such a thing.
Travel back 500 years and more and god was the answer for everything. Today, we have the god of the gaps. Those gaps being things that science has yet to explain fully, such as abiogenesis and the creation of the universe. My guess is that in 500 years time, god won't have any gaps left. People who believe in god in the future, will be akin to The Flat Earth Society today.
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Again your own interpretation, my issue was with simply
Which simply was not true. Whether or not you disagree with others assessments is irrelevant to the incorrectness of your statement.
Which simply was not true. Whether or not you disagree with others assessments is irrelevant to the incorrectness of your statement.
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How is it up there? is the air too thin?
You tell me, is it Islam itself that is fundamentally sexist or just the Muslims who follow Islam?
Same with discrimination based upon religion, sexual orientation etc.
Unfortunately I think the answer is both. And this is why we don't want to see an islamification of this country, which no one in this thread has of yet stated reasonably, coherently and clearly, why inviting islam is a positive thing for this country, given our current state of advancement.
How is it not true ? When you keep an open mind and study the subject then the outcome is always that god is man made.
Only pre-suppositional apologetics come to the opposite conclusion and that is because they came into the discussion with their minds closed and already made up. Their starting point is that god exists and so they twist and spin everything they find in order to fit it with their world view.
Creationists are a good example. They believe in god and nothing EVER is going to change their mind. That is their starting point. Then they take spurious scientific results in any given field and hold them up as evidence for their claims. Even though the other 99.9999% of the scientific evidence contradicts this, they don't care.
If you come into any discussion with your mind made up and you have already decided that no amount of evidence is going to sway you, then not only are you wasting everybody's time, but you are also wasting your own time.
I'm open to changing my mind. Just show me the evidence. If god exists and you can prove it, show me and guess what ? I'll believe ! Hey look everyone, there's Jesus, I was wrong, praise the lord ! However, nothing short of Jesus descending from the skies on a cloud to the accompaniment of angelic trumpets, is going to change my mind right now.
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People are sexist and everything else under the sun without Islam or any other religion. What does that tell us?
"given our current state of advancement" have you seen society recently?
The "Islamification" of this country is simply a figment of your imagination based off fallacy. Knee jerk reactions supplemented by the media have created a climate of fear where everything remotely Islamic is under the microscope intensifying the perception of "islamification" which simply does not exist. Case and point the "halal" bank accounts and the story the other week about sharia law being incorporate into our legal system, which simply did not happen. Illustrated by the fact Jewish folk share many similarities with Muslims within the UK yet we don't here "Jewification" of the UK, as the trendy spot light is not on them and this current time. Nazi Germany, they had their spotlight and we know how that truned out.
This country has a Islamic population and has had one for a very long time, you need to accept that. You speak from a position where this country is yours, and anyone else is an outsider / alien which again isn't the case. The sooner you accept that the better.
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<5% so why all the kerfuffle?
because its part of the agenda hence the trojan horse BS at Birmingham schools ( I bet its wider spread that)
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