Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Wow! Mi24s - thought they would be Mi17s!

Feel very sorry for the aircrews though.

Janes chimes in:

http://www.janes.com/article/37330/two-ukrainian-mi-24s-shot-down-by-manpads

Two Ukrainian Mil Mi-24 'Hind' combat helicopters were shot down in eastern Ukraine on 2 May during a major escalation of violence in the ongoing Ukraine crisis.

According to initial statements published by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence (MoD), both helicopters were shot down by man-portable air-defence systems (MANPADS), while an Mil Mi-8 'Hip' transport aircraft sustained damage from ground fire. All of the helicopters were attacked overnight close to Slavyansk in the troubled Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine.

Two crew members from the Mi-24s were killed in the incidents, with several more wounded, the MoD stated. The pilot of one of the Mi-24s is understood to be badly wounded and to have been captured by pro-Russian forces.

The MoD stated that four people have already been arrested for their alleged involvement in the incident.

Ukraine's Army Aviation unites have a fleet of about 60 Mi-24 helicopters of various types in service. The powerful 'Hind' can carry up to eight troops as well as a range of weaponry, including a cannon up to 30 mm, rocket pods, and guided missiles.
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The violence in Ukraine has rapidly escalated since the launching of a major Ukrainian effort to retake several key towns in East Ukraine from protestors and armed groups. Despite this, the shooting down of the two Ukrainian Army Aviation helicopters could signal the crises moving into a new stage of intense conflict.

Although little information is available on the MANPADS used, they are likely to have been an Igla, either the earlier 9K310 Igla-1 (SA-16 'Gimlet'), or the later 9K38 Igla (SA-18 'Grouse'), which are in service with both the Ukrainian and Russian armed forces.

Seeing MANPADS outside of formal armed forces has historically been very rare, and their potential proliferation has been a cause of great concern to many nations. The MoD stated that the "fact of the [MANPAD] use against the Ukrainian Armed Forces testifies that there are well-trained and armed groups are currently acting in Donetsk Oblast." However, the use of MANPADS in the conflict does not necessarily demonstrate the involvement of Russian forces in the incident. In early March local media reported that Igla systems had gone missing from two Ukrainian military units near Lvov.

Unless equipped with modern defensive aid suites (DAS), helicopters are highly vulnerable to MANPADS due to their normally low flight altitude and comparatively low speed. Recently MANPADS have proliferated widely within the ongoing Syrian civil war, with many Syrian government helicopters having been shot down by them in the past year.

It remains to be seen whether this shooting is simply an isolated incident, or whether Ukrainian helicopters will continue to be attacked by MANPADS while operating over East Ukraine. If the MANPADS threat continues it may force Ukraine to deploy ground attack aircraft such as the Sukhoi Su-25 'Frogfoot' in the place of helicopters like the Mi-24. However, were Ukraine to begin using fixed wing aircraft against its own people, then it would appear almost inevitable that some form of overt Russian intervention into the conflict would follow.
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WTF?? How can the Ukranian military not protect their own stocks of MANPADs properly??

First they allow the biggest light weapon repository in Europe with millions of weapons to be captured,and now MANPADs??
 
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I think you guys dont understand that the sanctions on Russia are having completely opposite effect....

At this rate we will get another Iron Curtain, although this time the Russian people themselves would want it....

Russians are different, it seems that about 70% would be happy to give up on everything western just as long as Russia is seen as a world-super-power once again who does what it wants without caring.

Each sanction imposed by Obama is cheered by population, that incident with Visa and Mastercard caused many people to switch to those banks affected as in act of solidarity and now there are plans to create completely Russian payment system.

In the end, Visa took a massive share hit and now has to pay fines in Russia. Who is losing out in these sanctions? I am sure Putin would love to ask for more.
 
areksnumbr1sxylady said:
I ...and now there are plans to create completely Russian payment system.

In the end, Visa took a massive share hit and now has to pay fines in Russia. Who is losing out in these sanctions? I am sure Putin would love to ask for more.
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Which won't matter, as it won't punish normal Russians but will punish the chaps dancing around the world with oodles of rubbles in foreign currency,
They will move their stocks of money from Russians sources to other sources, so they can still spend it.

Tiss all a load of rubbish anyway, the West has neither power nor military nor backbone for any sort of an actual 'fight', nor do they want to be involved at all.

They do have to try to save face, and would prefer it if Ukraine didn't descend into a Russians sponsored mess.
 
heh ultranationals from the west arrived to Odessa clashing with antimaidan people all day today

Maindan set antimaidan camps on fire as well as setting Trade Union HQ on fire, setting all exits specifically on fire and beating people. Then Maidan people beat those who manage to escape the fire through windows and prevent paramedics from helping the injured.

If anybody here wondered why the East was afraid then here it is, Maidan ultranationals setting buildings on fire specially to kill.

Ukraine police, Routers says 38* dead so far. https://twitter.com/ReutersWorld/status/462304296562745344


Here are the scum justifying the burning by labeling it as Russian HQ
http://inagist.com/all/462278106124804096/

Those anti-maidan protesters were not pro-russian or federalist but purely against maidan and for Ukraine unity.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmpXVSAIYAAiQvi.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmpUbU0CEAAjfEt.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmpW_vhIMAAcNhn.jpg
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Crimea militia, responding to Ukraine move to take Luhanks, vouches to come and assist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HoLqrQrEZI&html5=1
"We, the Crimean militia, are appealing to the Southeast. The Crimean militia, today, is advancing with two battalions to help the people of the southeast. For the Right Sector members mothers and wives, take your children away, we aren't taking hostages. For everyone, we will raze everything on our way that opposes the the people."
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Gunships unleashed in Luhanks, ultras terrorising Odessa, Crimean millitia joining in, those muppets at Kyiv keep pushing the country to full scale civil war, they're playing right into Russian hands >_<

Also got "black people" joining in saying they already abducted few "separatists activists" and will contue doing so in Kharkiv:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma4h5XgT6pU
We’ve been hearing rumors that there are no “Black people”—pro-Ukrainian fighters—in Kharkiv; we exist. In fact, we are actively working. From this day, in Kharkiv, separatist-activists have started to disappear. And they will continue to disappear. Soon they will disappear completely. For every “Green person” there will be an entire squad of “Black people.”Glory to the Nation! Death to the enemies!
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scorza said:
Glad you find the situation so funny, what with 38 people today in Odessa (pro-Russian protestors too by the sounds of it).
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I don't find people dying funny, I find it funny that people like you post propaganda all day long and ignore people suffering. Did you not ramble in this thread that ethnic Russians are not in danger, well I hope 38 deaths will shut you up finally.
 
I for one am glad to see the puppets of the Kremlin who attacked the unity protest got taught a lesson. Hopefully this will be a signal to other puppets that shooting on unarmed civilians will get you killed.
 
Hearing from people in Odessa that they arrived by train. The building they burned is near the train station :(

This really annoys me. Odessa is a great city.

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Seems as likely to be a false flag operation as anything else. Bit baffling as to how it benefits anyone but a country wanting a pretext to come in and "peace keep".
 
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Horse Pop said:
Hearing from people in Odessa that they arrived by train. The building they burned is near the train station :(

This really annoys me. Odessa is a great city.

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Seems as likely to be a false flag operation as anything else. Bit baffling as to how it benefits anyone but a country wanting a pretext to come in and "peace keep".
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False flag? We have videos showing maidan crowd threw molotovs, what false flag, we also have videos that maidan crowd then kept beating up few who survived.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UW178RE_MM#t=55s

The message to east and south is very clear, odessa did not have militia to protect ethnic russians and they were set on fire. This event is going to fuel further separatism the way maidan shootings fuelled government change.
 
Horse Pop said:
Hearing from people in Odessa that they arrived by train. The building they burned is near the train station :(

This really annoys me. Odessa is a great city.

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Seems as likely to be a false flag operation as anything else. Bit baffling as to how it benefits anyone but a country wanting a pretext to come in and "peace keep".
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The reason it doesn't seem to benefit any agenda, except war for dosh, is because it was carried out by thick *****, uneducated morons like most fascist street thugs, usually not that good at fighting either hence the blocked exits and thrown fire bombs.
 
So the UN has stated that it was Pro-Russians fault that they got shot in Slavyansk and they deserved it because they were armed.... Hmm so how about us supporting and supplying Al-queeda extremists in Libya and Syria then? For what reason are the Pro-Russians considered terrorists by UN and Al-Queeda is considered freedom fighters in Libya and Syria???

Also, everyone kept saying that there is no reason for people to be armed as Ukranians are very nice and wont hurt no one.... 30+ dead in Odessa, far more than in whole millitary operation in Slovyansk....
 
I dont understand how anyone can claim that no one knows how the building was set on fire in Odessa, when there are videos and pictures of molotvs thrown at it...

There are rather horrible pictures released on twitter of burned alive men in the building, comments from Pro-Ukranians is the most shocking part.... They are cheering on and saying that dogs deserve dogs death...
 
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