Better not quote Churchill any more.

Judgeneo said:
But anyway, you can't go shouting down religions and cultures like that, on a megaphone, in a public place, where people of those religions and cultures can hear you, without consequence.
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Why not?

Abu Hamza, Abu Qatada, Anjem Choudary, Omar Bakri just to mention a few have done it but don't seem to have been arrested and charged in relation to "suspicion of religious or racial harassment"


Granted these people have all since been arrest/charged on other offences far graver but the point still stands.
 
Clav said:
Did you know this person existed before this happened?

It achieved its purpose then.
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Good call, luckily I didn't hit the link so I still don't know who he is, probably a group funded to split the UKip vote, if we must have a patriotic nationalist party I like mine lite and cartoony like UKip, the British way! I won't be voting UKip.
 
badcompany said:
What happens to the idiots with placards want to chop soldiers heads off that you see?
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Judgeneo said:
you can't go shouting down religions and cultures like that, on a megaphone, in a public place, where people of those religions and cultures can hear you, without consequence.
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I'm curious. When was the last time a religious speaker was arrested for slating people not of their religion?

I used to see it all the time in town centres, being told you'll burn in hell for being an unbeliever.

How is stating that a religion encourages militant-ism over other qualities any worse than that?
 
OMG islam is a RELIGION not a RACE!

I know a few people who are white british and have converted to islam... the proper normal islam i may point out not the radicalized foaming nutter branch.

How can you arrest someone for inciting racial hatred.... when he is criticizing a religion?

This country is barking mad.

Unless this crud is challenged in 20 years time a man could be arrested for looking at a woman... for "visual rape" ( surely you have seen the femnazi quotes saying a man doesn't have to actually touch a woman to commit rape )

There needs to be a reality check soon... the liberals and "politically correct" are behind all this silliness.. they think they are the moral barometer we must all conform to!
 
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Resident said:
Why not?

Abu Hamza, Abu Qatada, Anjem Choudary, Omar Bakri just to mention a few have done it but don't seem to have been arrested and charged in relation to "suspicion of religious or racial harassment"


Granted these people have all since been arrest/charged on other offences far graver but the point still stands.
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Haggisman said:
I'm curious. When was the last time a religious speaker was arrested for slating people not of their religion?

I used to see it all the time in town centres, being told you'll burn in hell for being an unbeliever.

How is stating that a religion encourages militant-ism over other qualities any worse than that?
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I'm in agreement with you, freedom to discuss/attack religion without state prosecution should not require the protection of another religion. But unfortunately the system we have at the moment does not support this view.

The MEP who was arrested was well aware of what the authorities could do to him before he picked up the megaphone.
 
bazzabear said:
Bigotry is bigotry, who gives a toss whether it's against a race or a religion?
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It is debate not bigotry. Or are you suggesting it is better to simply arrest people who voice opinions rather than challenge them with debate and counter argument?

Where does it all end?

Arrested for questioning a political party because clearly you are bigoted and insulting their belief?

Think carefully before you advocate people being arrested for voicing opinions, however misguided. Its is a point of a free country to be able to voice opinions, but also to be heckled and egged!


I think Stephen Fry has it right...

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *beeping* what."

[I saw hate in a graveyard -- Stephen Fry, The Guardian, 5 June 2005]”
 
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It is debate not bigotry. Or are you suggesting it is better to simply arrest people who voice opinions rather than challenge them with debate and counter argument?

Where does it all end?

Arrested for questioning a political party because clearly you are bigoted and insulting their belief?

Think carefully before you advocate people being arrested for voicing opinions, however misguided. Its is a point of a free country to be able to voice opinions, but also to be heckled and egged!


I think Stephen Fry has it right...

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *beeping* what."

[I saw hate in a graveyard -- Stephen Fry, The Guardian, 5 June 2005]”
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Like anything a line needs to drawn somewhere.
 
Gilly said:
Man quotes 18th century text over megaphone without a permit for public address.

Man is resistant to dispersal order.

Man is later arrested for racially aggravated crime.

Non-story.



Only in the UK would the forces dealing with him be so fair-handed.
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Spot on. Seems to have got the very least he deserved.
 
AtreuS said:
There needs to be a reality check soon... the liberals and "politically correct" are behind all this silliness.. they think they are the moral barometer we must all conform to!
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There used to be a time when we knew what the word liberal actually meant, now sadly it seems we are slipping in to the US habit of using the word liberal to mean "anyone that disagrees with my conservative values". :(

FWIW a liberal would not be at all pleased with unnecessary restrictions on free speech as it is a cornerstone of liberalism.
 
RDM said:
There used to be a time when we knew what the word liberal actually meant, now sadly it seems we are slipping in to the US habit of using the word liberal to mean "anyone that disagrees with my conservative values". :(

FWIW a liberal would not be at all pleased with unnecessary restrictions on free speech as it is a cornerstone of liberalism.
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I aplogise i meant liberals as in people who are overgrown hippies and think everyone should be allowed to take offense at every little thing.

The "liberal" party as a political entity in this country exists in name only now sadly.
 
Haggisman said:
There's nothing wrong with that...

Of course just because they're offended, doesn't mean they should have any right to stop the things that offend them.
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Exactly lol... maybe i should have put "and also that they should be allowed to sue and have people arrested for offending them" :p
 
AtreuS said:
I aplogise i meant liberals as in people who are overgrown hippies and think everyone should be allowed to take offense at every little thing.

The "liberal" party as a political entity in this country exists in name only now sadly.
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Well you've just reiterated his point perfectly. As soon as you disagree with anyone right wing, you becoming a raving left loony. Actually, if you objectively look at the arguments of liberal people, they rely much less on emotion and more on the genuinely important things in life (not too much on money).

Haggisman said:
There's nothing wrong with that...

Of course just because they're offended, doesn't mean they should have any right to stop the things that offend them.
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Nope. I'm offended by many things but, being liberal, I don't try and destroy them.
 
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