AMD Could Feature Next Generation HBM Memory on Volcanic Islands 2.0 Graphics Cards – Allegedly Laun

yanielliot · 12 May 2014 at 12:03

Gregster said:
I love GPU wars and great to see AMD releasing a card to try and beat the 780 Ti.

The fact that AMD and Nvidia are constantly trying to outdo each other is great for the consumer. Just wish the CPU market was the same.

shankly1985 · 12 May 2014 at 12:14

Either way I wont be upgrading anytime soon

My two much cheaper 290's run all games just fine. Who needs to over spend?

Orangey · 12 May 2014 at 12:57

yanielliot said:
Am I reading this right? High end 300 series in 1st half 2015 on 28nm with high end 400 series 1st half 2016 on 20nm?

Would a large performance jump be expected with the change from 28nm to 20nm? Or is it simply a matter of running cooler and less power hungry?

Apparently 16nm will be the real boost, but 20nm should still give in the range of 30+% easily (just as a baseline). There are reports of it being rather lackluster. Although that was TSMC's 20nm, not sure about Global Foundries.

humbug · 12 May 2014 at 13:02

LtMatt said:
Doubt we will see that on 28MN triss. If this is true then this will be 5-10% faster than a 780TI, if that. I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if it was any faster or a brand new card.

This was speculated a while ago.

AMD Hawaii GPU May Have 48 CUs (3072 Stream Processors)?

http://wccftech.com/amd-hawaii-gpu-...chip-48-compute-units-3072-stream-processors/

Tahiti XT: 2048 SP's, 32 ROP's, 2 ACE Units. (365mm^2)

Hawaii XT 3072 SP's +50%, 64 ROP's +100%, 8 ACE Units +400%. (438mm^2 +20%)

Hawaii XT (as we understand it today) is already 40% more GPU on a 20% larger DIE, surely there can't be another 10% hiding on it?

Buckster · 12 May 2014 at 13:18

makes sense considering the small current difference between 290 and 290x

ghost.florian · 12 May 2014 at 14:04

I think we will have to wait at least 1 more generation before a single cards can run 4K games at 60+ average FPS. That will probably be the next wave of large scale upgrades.
This is not just down to graphics card technology, but also to game developers, since software plays a huge role in the game experience.

Right now, AMD wants to focus on short-sighted wars, which I don't believe is the right business model. AMD already has loads of products in their mainstream lineup, compared to Nvidia who only have 4. R&D efforts should go in the next-gen cores and process shrinks, and working closer with game developers (as they said they have done with Mantle).

Gerard · 12 May 2014 at 14:57

Martini1991 said:
The 7990 had a triple fan design, they took reference cooling serious for that, but went back on the R9 290.

So we'll see really when their next gen stuff comes out (On the die shrink)

Well considering I've seen many people say their 7990's (mine included) hitting in the 90c plus range that's open to debate. Just about all the reviews somehow managed to get 75c to around 80c ish, yet I've seen plenty of posts with people with 7990's having their cards hit in the mid 90's and higher. Whether that's down to bad airflow, crap TIM application or simply cherry picked cards for the reviews that ran at lower voltage with good TIM application is up for debate.

LtMatt · 12 May 2014 at 14:58

7990 was ok in a case with good airflow and the fan could be kept decently quiet so long as you undervolted the card a bit. Mine ran between 80-85c on auto fan which was a lot quieter than my 290 reference cards.

Gerard · 12 May 2014 at 15:00

LtMatt said:
7990 was ok in a case with good airflow and the fan could be kept decently quiet so long as you undervolted the card a bit. Mine ran between 80-85c on auto fan which was a lot quieter than my 290 reference cards.

Who wants to undervolt a card to try and get the temps to what reviews claim they should be at out of the box with no pratting around? My case has 3 large fans directly below the card blowing up onto it yet it still loads around 94c on stock settings. The review temperatures were "suspicious" to put it mildly.

Ayahuasca · 12 May 2014 at 15:02

Hopefully this one don't live up to volcanic, mantle temps etc etc

LtMatt · 12 May 2014 at 15:04

Gerard said:
Who wants to undervolt a card to try and get the temps to what reviews claim they should be at out of the box with no pratting around? My case has 3 large fans directly below the card blowing up onto it yet it still loads around 94c on stock settings. The review temperatures were "suspicious" to put it mildly.

Me, that's who. Judging by the success of my 7990 modded bios thread i created, a lot of other people did as well. Whether you should have to or not is another matter altogether mind you. However my friends 690 ran even hotter, its just something you have to accept with single pcb multi gpu cards... Until the 295x2 came along that is and made mid 60c temps the norm for single pcb dual gpu cards.

Marine-RX179 · 12 May 2014 at 15:08

Gerard said:
Who wants to undervolt a card to try and get the temps to what reviews claim they should be at out of the box with no pratting around? My case has 3 large fans directly below the card blowing up onto it yet it still loads around 94c on stock settings. The review temperatures were "suspicious" to put it mildly.

Your problem is that your Fortress FT02 case only has ONE 120mm fan as exhaust with no fan directing the heat from from the 7990 toward it. Your three Silverstone Air Penetrator fans at the bottom is good for blowing the air in a straight air-tunnel, but it doesn't really help much pushing the heat toward the exhaust (if anything it might trap heat from the graphic card at around front half of the case). I think you would benefit if you had a fan around drive-cage area point front to rear to blow toward the 7990 and push the heat toward the exhaust fan near the rear. However, it still won't change the fact that the case only has one 120mm fan as exhaust.

LtMatt · 12 May 2014 at 15:11

Marine-RX179 said:
Your problem is that your Fortress FT02 case only has ONE 120mm fan as exhaust with no fan blowing the heat from from the 7990 toward it. Your three Silverstone Air Penetrator fans at the bottom is good for blowing the air in a straight air-tunnel, but it doesn't really help much pushing the heat toward the exhaust (if anything it might trap heat from the graphic card at around front half of the case). I think you would benefit if you had a fan around drive-cage area point front to rear to blow toward the 7990 and push the heat toward the exhaust fan near the rear. However, it still won't change the fact that the case only has one 120mm fan as exhaust.

Fair point. I had a 600T case at the time. It was crap for cooling however i did have several 120mm exhaust fans sitting on top the 7990 which helped a lot.

Gerard · 12 May 2014 at 15:11

LtMatt said:
Me, that's who. Judging by the success of my 7990 modded bios thread i created, a lot of other people did as well. Whether you should have to or not is another matter altogether mind you. However my friends 690 ran even hotter, its just something you have to accept with single pcb multi gpu cards... Until the 295x2 came along that is and made mid 60c temps the norm for single pcb dual gpu cards.

My main problem with it is the reviews for the most part didn't come close to showing the actual thermals for the card, as said most seemed to show around 75-80c. I can accept a few c over that either way but almost 15-20 c over it is taking the **** a bit.

And considering you're saying your thread had a lot of people doing the same thing it would appear that the norm for these cards is in the 90's out of the box and the reviews were almost totally misrepresenting the temperature side of things. Probably worth taking it apart to see what's going on with the thermal compound at some point.

Marine-RX179 said:
Your problem is that your Fortress FT02 case only has ONE 120mm fan as exhaust with no fan directing the heat from from the 7990 toward it. Your three Silverstone Air Penetrator fans at the bottom is good for blowing the air in a straight air-tunnel, but it doesn't really help much pushing the heat toward the exhaust (if anything it might trap heat from the graphic card at around front half of the case). I think you would benefit if you had a fan around drive-cage area point front to rear to blow toward the 7990 and push the heat toward the exhaust fan near the rear. However, it still won't change the fact that the case only has one 120mm fan as exhaust.

Possibly but it doesn't account for the fact that a lot of people with different cases have the exact same issue with high temps.

LtMatt · 12 May 2014 at 15:15

Gerard said:
My main problem with it is the reviews for the most part didn't come close to showing the actual thermals for the card, as said most seemed to show around 75-80c. I can accept a few c over that either way but almost 15-20 c over it is taking the **** a bit.

And considering you're saying your thread had a lot of people doing the same thing it would appear that the norm for these cards is in the 90's out of the box and the reviews were almost totally misrepresenting the temperature side of things. Probably worth taking it apart to see what's going on with the thermal compound at some point.

Possibly but it doesn't account for the fact that a lot of people with different cases have the exact same issue with high temps.

The problem was in all of the reviews the card was throttling so temps were better kept in check. When i got my 7990 i noticed this immediately so set to work on a bios that stopped the card from throttling to its non boost state. This improved the performance but as a result the card kicked out more heat so this was counteracted by lowering the voltage to compensate. The 7990 came with excess voltage so it could make a nice difference, assuming you had capable case cooling.

Marine-RX179 · 12 May 2014 at 15:16

LtMatt said:
Fair point. I had a 600T case at the time. It was crap for cooling however i did have several 120mm exhaust fans sitting on top the 7990 which helped a lot.

Actually I just remember something...I recall people ghetto modding to mount fan onto the expansion slots of the case to help with exhausting the heat....it could be what Gerard needed for his Fortress FT02.

Like this:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=20p7syf&s=7#.U3DYbleVk28

Gerard · 12 May 2014 at 15:18

LtMatt said:
The problem was in all of the reviews the card was throttling so temps were better kept in check. When i got my 7990 i noticed this immediately so set to work on a bios that stopped the card from throttling to its non boost state. This improved the performance but as a result the card kicked out more heat so this was counteracted by lowering the voltage to compensate. The 7990 came with excess voltage so it could make a nice difference, assuming you had capable case cooling.

I run afterburner normally and I've yet to see any throttling indicated in the overlays on screen. And I find it hard to believe that every review site would not pick up on the card throttling as it would obviously affect performance to a noticeable degree.

drunkenmaster · 12 May 2014 at 15:22

really Gerrard, unrealistic expectations of temps from reviews all showing 80-85C temps?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-review/19

anandtech 94C

[H]
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/10/23/amd_radeon_r9_290x_video_card_review/15

95C

that is probably the two biggest and most read review sites both stating accurate in use temps.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290X/32.html

94c again.

Sorry but which reviews gave unrealistic expectations of temps.... or are you simply making that up? Though, actually the discussions started on next card needing a better cooler than the 290x stock cooler, I got the impression you were talking about that originally. Maybe you meant 7990.

Gerard · 12 May 2014 at 15:23

drunkenmaster said:
really Gerrard, unrealistic expectations of temps from reviews all showing 80-85C temps?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-review/19

anandtech 94C

[H]
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/10/23/amd_radeon_r9_290x_video_card_review/15

95C

that is probably the two biggest and most read review sites both stating accurate in use temps.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290X/32.html

94c again.

Sorry but which reviews gave unrealistic expectations of temps.... or are you simply making that up?

I think you need to lay off whatever you're smoking, i'm referring to the 7990 and have stated so several times in my posts..... :eek:

LtMatt · 12 May 2014 at 15:26

Marine-RX179 said:
Actually I just remember something...I recall people ghetto modding to mount fan onto the expansion slots of the case to help with exhausting the heat....it could be what Gerard needed for his Fortress FT02.

Like this:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=20p7syf&s=7#.U3DYbleVk28

Yeah that Ghetto mod is called the Setter and i believe it takes a few C off. Every little helps.