Poll: which party are you going to vote in up coming elections?

[Zethor]

I'm surprised people whine about conservatives so much, I think they've done great job fixing labour mess in the worst possible economic condition and most of the working families sailed through last crisis as if nothing happened compared to the rest of Europe.

Great job? You mean the austerity measures that started in 2010 and brought two years of stagnation in the UK and almost every other EU country which implemented them and turned the crisis into a double-dip recession, while the US mantained a weak but steady ~2.5% growth thanks to Obama's stimulus package?

It doesn't sound like the conservatives did a great job to me.

 

[krooton]

All these people that are anti ukip seem to have one thing in common, bank balance rich parents uni educated they aren't affected by immigrants willing to work 80 hour weeks for min wage with no in work luxurys such as paid holidays sick pay real contracts job security.

Hmmm...

Estimated value of my parent's estate: £60k

Do I have a uni degree? Nope, and I attended secondary school in a third world country.

I guess I was just lucky enough, smart enough, and worked hard enough to get to where I am. When I moved to the UK, I had literally NOTHING in terms of assets. I had some clothes, and a couch to crash on.

 

[Sliver]

Depends on what you define as center

I define them by their policies. They still have strong socialist roots in their manifesto. Welfare, the NHS etc. Two things the Tories are desperately trying to dismantle bit by bit. They are the more ethical, moral party in my opinion, you may disagree, but that's my view. Labour represent a system of government that provides for the less fortunate in society by having a big government with more taxes. Taxes I'm willing to pay. The Tories are all about small government with less taxes because they are only interested in supporting big business and the wealthy. The poor can stay poor in their mind.

 

[C64]

Hmmm...

Estimated value of my parent's estate: £60k

Do I have a uni degree? Nope, and I attended secondary school in a third world country.

I guess I was just lucky enough, smart enough, and worked hard enough to get to where I am. When I moved to the UK, I had literally NOTHING in terms of assets. I had some clothes, and a couch to crash on.

What are the in work benefits and help compared to your country of origin though.Can I go to your country get a part time job get my housing healthcare schooling all paid for ? having paid nothing in ? only point I am trying to make is it's a one way street.

I'd be all for it if I could pack my bags and go to the south of france get a part time min wage mcdonalds job get housing benefit free healthcare schooling.
It's no joke low earners are paying out for immigrants family's and housing and all they do is a part time menial job.

And the working class have had enough and ukip will landslide the elections on the 22nd.

 

[MooMoo444]

I for one welcome our new UKIP overlords.

 

[Guerrilla]

All these people that are anti ukip seem to have one thing in common, bank balance rich parents uni educated they aren't affected by immigrants willing to work 80 hour weeks for min wage with no in work luxurys such as paid holidays sick pay real contracts job security they are beneficiaries from it more often than not.

Nothing like a bit of generalising.

 

[platypus]

I don't want Mr\Mrs never met telling me what I can and can't do in my own country.

This is so sad it's funny.

 

[badcompany]

Hmmm...

Estimated value of my parent's estate: £60k

Do I have a uni degree? Nope, and I attended secondary school in a third world country.

I guess I was just lucky enough, smart enough, and worked hard enough to get to where I am. When I moved to the UK, I had literally NOTHING in terms of assets. I had some clothes, and a couch to crash on.

Immigrant !!!!!!

No seriously what job do you do? How long have you been here? You might not be the best person to counter his comment.

 

[platypus]

All these people that are anti ukip seem to have one thing in common, bank balance rich parents uni educated they aren't affected by immigrants willing to work 80 hour weeks for min wage with no in work luxurys such as paid holidays sick pay real contracts job security they are beneficiaries from it more often than not.

The irony of course being that the EU protects these very workers rights that you're claiming are key to British life.

 

[deuse]

This is so sad it's funny.

Why?

 

[Shadez]

James O Brian is a leftwing moron I have countered his arguments a hundred times with emails he never answers the point I make to him.

Can a brit for example go to france get a part time minimum wage cleaning job and get £hundreds + a week in in work benefit top ups housing benefit tax credits child allowance etc etc ? no they cant but he just ignores it because he knows it's a one way street and has no argument.

Yes a UK citizen can move to France and claim benefits so long as they meet the minimum requirements to do so, just as a EU citizen can move to the UK and do the same.

All these people that are anti ukip seem to have one thing in common, bank balance rich parents uni educated they aren't affected by immigrants willing to work 80 hour weeks for min wage with no in work luxurys such as paid holidays sick pay real contracts job security.

Really that's news to me i must get my rich parents to buy me a house then, oh wait i cant they don't have any money.

I'm anti UKIP because they are anti UK, if they fully backed the UK in Europe while campaigning against our participation i would accept peoples opinions and say "oh well that democracy in action"

 

[Zethor]

What are the in work benefits and help compared to your country of origin though.Can I go to your country get a part time job get my housing healthcare schooling all paid for ? having paid nothing in ? only point I am trying to make is it's a one way street.

I'd be all for it if I could pack my bags and go to the south of france get a part time min wage mcdonalds job get housing benefit free healthcare schooling.
I'd be packing my bags now.

Benefits paid to immigrants are an insignificant part of the UK budget. With all due respect, your concern is caused by ignorance, it has no real basis and you only express it because UKIP has been playing the blame card for the current financial difficulties.

 

[platypus]

Why?

Because I can see you actually believe it.

 

[C64]

The irony of course being that the EU protects these very workers rights that you're claiming are key to British life.

More than any of the other parties do, labour are champagne socialists the tories want a two tier society greens sit on the fence liberals want more immigration.

I don't even like ukip but nobody else is standing up for the average working man.

 

[badcompany]

Ah so what you're saying is that this is a class war, and UKIP stand for the downtrodden, poor, hard working person.

More so than labour !! Who champion themselves as a party for the working class. What have they done for the working class?
Flooded us with migrants, drove wages down and house prices up and hard to find.

Yay for labour helping eastern Europeans live the dream.

 

[C64]

Benefits paid to immigrants are an insignificant part of the UK budget. With all due respect, your concern is caused by ignorance, it has no real basis and you only express it because UKIP has been playing the blame card for the current financial difficulties.

with respect you need to open your eyes people wouldn't be coming here if they didn't get the massive IN WORK benefits from even a min wage part time job they can have a nice lifestyle as long as they bring the kids or claim for imaginary ones back home.

 

[krooton]

What are the in work benefits and help compared to your country of origin though.Can I go to your country get a part time job get my housing healthcare schooling all paid for ? having paid nothing in ? only point I am trying to make is it's a one way street.

There aren't any, I grew up in South Africa.

I've been in the UK for 12 years, not claimed any sort of benefits/JSA in that time, made use of the NHS a grand total of 5 times (never any hospital visits), and worked my way up from part-time video rental shop worker, to full-time internet cafe worker, to call center worker, to analyst, to my current role as a project manager.

 

[C64]

There aren't any, I grew up in South Africa.

I've been in the UK for 12 years, not claimed any sort of benefits/JSA in that time, made use of the NHS a grand total of 5 times (never any hospital visits), and worked my way up from part-time video rental shop worker, to full-time internet cafe worker, to call center worker, to analyst, to my current role as a project manager.

You paint a picture of work hard sweat off your brow but am sure you claimed for housing benefit council tax discounts etc etc etc
How did you afford your rent doing a part time video rental job ? that wouldn't have covered the cost of even the worst of bedsits.

 

[Zethor]

with respect you need to open your eyes they wouldn't be coming here if they didn't get the massive IN WORK benefits

Do you understand what it means to be factually incorrect? This isn't a matter of opinion, the argument you presented is demonstrably wrong.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/11/05/uk-britain-migrants-idUKBRE9A40MD20131105

"If you look at those immigrants who came after 1999, both EA (Euro Area) and non-EA immigrants have made a positive fiscal contribution," Christian Dustmann, co-author of the report from University College London, told Reuters.

"Over the same period, native-born individuals basically took more out of the welfare system than they put in, in terms of taxes."

 

[deuse]

Because I can see you actually believe it.

You mean a bit like you think there is a god? One is real the other(god) is for weak people