Ashley, Pardew or both ?

Did you ever think that commercial growing by 25% a year, making a profit on some players, enables you to build a stronger squad long term naturally.

Rubbish.

He doesn't reinvest so the arguement is redundant.

Again I ask, should they say "we're going to try and win the league next year", what bout in 5 years, or 10, what happens when you fail. 98% of teams in England don't win the league and most don't win the cup every year. What answer would make you happy, and for how long, and what would you do if they failed?

Rubbish.

No one is saying that, stop being deliberately obtuse I know you aren't quite that simple.

You can't just become super competitive in the epl just because you got promoted. It will take years to become stabilised and improve a little year on year. Injuries, europa, other teams being lucky, that means bouncing up and down the table one year to the next. Look at Spurs and the progression they've made, these things take time. The fans don't understand it takes time, there is NO answer they can give that the fans won't hate.

Rubbish.

As above No one is saying that, stop being deliberately obtuse I know you aren't quite that simple.

As for mostly irrelevant post, i responded to a post in which you were saying he's getting loads of free advertising, one of the many silly myths, like he's taking millions out of the club, clearly isn't reinvesting transfer money, isn't buying players.

Rubbish.

You talked rubbish in the last reply as you are in this.

"we didn't buy a single permanent player in two transfer windows"...... yeah, but you bought what 5 in the january before that, and brought in one loan player that had a huge impact this year. They made offers in January for Cabaye replacements and didn't have time, again, that is life. By all accounts QPR weren't actually willing to sell Remy, they wanted a year with a chance to sign because they hoped to be back in the prem and wanted a good striker if they made it.

Rubbish.

In the EPL you need to invest just to stand still, we haven't invested we have went backward. In addition the amounts spent don't equal the outlay remotely.

What's hilarious is, if Newcastle had never had the good season under Pardew, most of the fans wouldn't be complaining half as much. Because yes, though you guys seem to deny it constantly, every other post is about ambition of getting back to competing for the top 4 and people who specifically state "we were in the champs league not long ago....blah blah blah".

Rubbish (who would have thought!)

Go post all of the "we want top 4" post we all apparently make. Good luck finding them, what we want is a modicum of effort and application from the club bot a statement from the club saying they will do the exact opposite.

Newcastle don't have the finances to push for top 6 consistently right now, they might in a few years, welcome to being in the same situation as most clubs in the world.

Rubbish.

Yes we don't have the finances (and any small chance we have is hoovered off by Cashley) but No one is saying top 4-6 apart from your delusional kind. We are saying show some ambition and try for a cup.


So much rubbish either you are dumb or trolling, I'm calling 50/50.

Just go away DM.
 
It really doesn't require so many words. The regime of a Premier League football club has specifically stated that they aren't interested in trying to compete for anything. That in itself is unprecedented and disturbing. Our owner has invested his money and in return has worldwide exposure for his brand, if and when we are sold on he will get that money back. NUFC tread water whilst In the meantime Sports Direct thrive and Mr Ashley coins it in. Again, not just implying but stating officially that we aren't going to try to win anyrhing. Are fans supposed to be happy about that?

If it's not for the glory, which we know it's not, why else does he bother owning a professional football club if it's not for the good of his other interests?
 
It really doesn't require so many words. The regime of a Premier League football club has specifically stated that they aren't interested in trying to compete for anything. That in itself is unprecedented and disturbing. Our owner has invested his money and in return has worldwide exposure for his brand, if and when we are sold on he will get that money back. NUFC tread water whilst In the meantime Sports Direct thrive and Mr Ashley coins it in. Again, not just implying but stating officially that we aren't going to try to win anyrhing. Are fans supposed to be happy about that?

If it's not for the glory, which we know it's not, why else does he bother owning a professional football club if it's not for the good of his other interests?

+1

The point of a sports team is to compete the best you can, most will not succeed by the nature of sport but you try.

This owner has specifically stated he will not let his team try, he will purposefully keep them uncompetitive as all he wants is money.

You could even argue this is warping league results, what happens next time Newcastle are safe. Is it not an unfair advantage for all teams who play Newcastle in the second half if the season when we stop trying? It's a free 3 points that other teams will not have got earlier in the season. I'm stretching it a bit there but the whole situation stinks.
 
It really doesn't require so many words. The regime of a Premier League football club has specifically stated that they aren't interested in trying to compete for anything. That in itself is unprecedented and disturbing. Our owner has invested his money and in return has worldwide exposure for his brand, if and when we are sold on he will get that money back. NUFC tread water whilst In the meantime Sports Direct thrive and Mr Ashley coins it in. Again, not just implying but stating officially that we aren't going to try to win anyrhing. Are fans supposed to be happy about that?

If it's not for the glory, which we know it's not, why else does he bother owning a professional football club if it's not for the good of his other interests?
Interesting post.

Though you could say what's the point in professional football if not to turn a [huge] profit?
 
It's what every Newcastle says but people keep mishearing (I'm really beginning to suspect purposefully :p) a cup run. Not win a cup just give it a go, no one in their right mind expects us to even get near the CL so instead get safe and stop trying no bother what so eber if that's what he wants. But to then combine that with saying the club will not try on a cup either is a disgrace. Get safe try in a cup and 95% of fans will be more than content (some idiots will complain but there is always a few) and it will give us something to look forward too.

I actually am off as you suggest, not seen the prices but probably going to renew my Gateshead season ticket that I gave up 14 year ago :p I refuse to buy into a team that purposefully states it has 0 ambition.
 
It could happen any season, with his stranglehold on investment and his desire to make more than he spends it's always a danger. Like the season before last when we almost went down. I would take a cup and go down, we get some glory and Cashley loses money.
 
I hate when people say all u should hope for is mid table/avoid relegation.. there should be ambition in clubs otherwise its the same old boring crap. Yea newcastle at the moment are a mid table team, but we used to be a champions league team not so long back. Which is why its so hard for the fans to get used to and why they demand more. If we spend a bit in the summer on sensible players we can make a push for 5th/6th again. The fact we lost cabaye, and remy's injuries ruined us otherwise we were looking pretty good before xmas!

Ive never liked pardew, but he isnt going anywhere so i just hope they get some good players in to get excited about for once.

Yup, no newcastle fans want to push for europe, none of them talk about being in the CL and wanting it back and being disappointed. One or two newcastle fans say the same thing in every other thread on the subject. Pretending they don't exist and shouting at anyone who points out that Newcastle fans DO say this, is just being ignorant newts, but there you go.

You randomly say rubbish to everything, even when you're completely wrong. You bang on about all the free advertising(worth less than a couple mil a year) bang on about terrible commercial(ahead of most teams and growing), bang on about how he's taking millions out of the club(complete and utter rubbish) while refusing to reinvest(more complete rubbish), it's embarrassing... for you.


Where is this year Newcastle had 40mil profits and then didn't reinvest?

In 09/10 you sold 25mil of players and spent 1.5mill, you were relegated, in that season alone you lost £34mil, bankrolled by Ashley.... more not reinvesting, rubbish.

in 10/11 you sold Carroll for £35mil, bought 10mil of players, had a net £25mil income(10mil less profit than the £34mil losses Ashley bankrolled the year before let's not forget).

in 11/12 you spent 25mil on players and sold Enrique/Routledge/Nolan for 11mil so about 13mil profit. However that is effectively across the two seasons selling four big wage players but in the same period you brought in 7-8 players intended for first team. That is a significant wage bill INCREASE not decrease.

12/13 you spent £26mil and sold 12.5mil. So that is that £25mil net increase on Carroll.... errm.... spent across the next two seasons. Wow, I would call that, reinvesting, but that is just me.


Lets list generally speaking first team players out:

Carroll, Enrique, Nolan, Ba, Cabaye and I guess you could count Perch.

Players bought in the same 3 seasons, Tiote, Arfa, Perch, Cisse, Santon, Obertan, Ba, Cabaye, Marveaux, Gouffran, Sissoko, Haidara, Mbiwa, Debuchy, Anita, Bigirimana and paid 2mil for Remy for a season.



You have to invest to stand still, rubbish, cliche spouted by pundits that is purely stupid. Some seasons you spend big and get lots of players, others you get few and spend little. That is football.

There is a current 20mil or so net profit from a single sale in Jan, yet we know Newcastle tried to buy in Jan, just not enough time left and the main target's club wouldn't sell in Jan.

In the past two seasons you've spent double what you've bought in from sales, you've bought more first team players than you've sold and brought in other potential first team players also.

Lack of reinvesting is simply a lie, even in summer you spent more (£2mil) on Remy than you got from selling (£1mil, perch). One transfer window since you sold Carroll have you brought in more than you sold, even the Carroll transfer window you signed 5 players and sold one(who was sold for £20mil + more than he was worth).

Where is the evidence of him taking millions out of the club or not investing. You use a single January transfer window to ignore all the previous ones.
 
Lol.

I think DM believes in a war of attrition, enough words and people just lose the will to live and stop replying :p

I'll answer tomorrow morning when I have 3 hours on the train, too busy right now.

I agree with the wall of text issue but most of the time he does have a point.
 
Yup, no newcastle fans want to push for europe, none of them talk about being in the CL and wanting it back and being disappointed. One or two newcastle fans say the same thing in every other thread on the subject. Pretending they don't exist and shouting at anyone who points out that Newcastle fans DO say this, is just being ignorant newts, but there you go.
There's always a few, I have said this, not everyone has common sense.

You randomly say rubbish to everything, even when you're completely wrong. You bang on about all the free advertising(worth less than a couple mil a year) bang on about terrible commercial(ahead of most teams and growing), bang on about how he's taking millions out of the club(complete and utter rubbish) while refusing to reinvest(more complete rubbish), it's embarrassing... for you.

Whereas every time I have evidence you (as usual) back up nothing with facts, it comes from your fantasy world to here completely unsupported.


Where is this year Newcastle had 40mil profits and then didn't reinvest?

In 09/10 you sold 25mil of players and spent 1.5mill, you were relegated, in that season alone you lost £34mil, bankrolled by Ashley.... more not reinvesting, rubbish.

in 10/11 you sold Carroll for £35mil, bought 10mil of players, had a net £25mil income(10mil less profit than the £34mil losses Ashley bankrolled the year before let's not forget).

in 11/12 you spent 25mil on players and sold Enrique/Routledge/Nolan for 11mil so about 13mil profit. However that is effectively across the two seasons selling four big wage players but in the same period you brought in 7-8 players intended for first team. That is a significant wage bill INCREASE not decrease.

12/13 you spent £26mil and sold 12.5mil. So that is that £25mil net increase on Carroll.... errm.... spent across the next two seasons. Wow, I would call that, reinvesting, but that is just me.

lol DM. Once again you make up **** to prove your point. Your figures clearly show he isn't reinvesting so to make your point you pull a fantasy figure of 35mill to prove your point.

Utterly deluded, give it up.

Lets list generally speaking first team players out:

Carroll, Enrique, Nolan, Ba, Cabaye and I guess you could count Perch.

Players bought in the same 3 seasons, Tiote, Arfa, Perch, Cisse, Santon, Obertan, Ba, Cabaye, Marveaux, Gouffran, Sissoko, Haidara, Mbiwa, Debuchy, Anita, Bigirimana and paid 2mil for Remy for a season.

Two lovely lists but what's the point you are making? He is not investing the money. Are you suggesting quantity not quality is what makes a team good? Sunderland, Newcastle, Spurs among others are proof this doesn't work.

So essentially another none point to prove your point.



You have to invest to stand still, rubbish, cliche spouted by pundits that is purely stupid. Some seasons you spend big and get lots of players, others you get few and spend little. That is football.

It's your opinion it's rubbish however looking back over the history of the premier league if you don't update your squad you go backward. Like Newcastle this season, lie ManU (arguably other factors but the lack of investment in their midfield over the years is a large part of the reason they have fallen off)

There is a current 20mil or so net profit from a single sale in Jan, yet we know Newcastle tried to buy in Jan, just not enough time left and the main target's club wouldn't sell in Jan.

We were not even linked with anyone in Jan, we were not even close to signing people as the club had no intention of investing,

In the past two seasons you've spent double what you've bought in from sales, you've bought more first team players than you've sold and brought in other potential first team players also.

Quality/quantity.

Lack of reinvesting is simply a lie, even in summer you spent more (£2mil) on Remy than you got from selling (£1mil, perch). One transfer window since you sold Carroll have you brought in more than you sold, even the Carroll transfer window you signed 5 players and sold one(who was sold for £20mil + more than he was worth).

Quality/quantity.

It's not a lie, your fantasy 35mill figure does not prove your point. Your fantasy figures are a joke DM. It just makes you look foolish.

Where is the evidence of him taking millions out of the club or not investing. You use a single January transfer window to ignore all the previous ones.

The evidence is above when you remove your fantasy figure.

Plus selling good to buy average is not improving a team.

Come at me again DM without the fantasy figures and we can continue this.
 
We were not even linked with anyone in Jan, we were not even close to signing people as the club had no intention of investing,

Just to correct this, we were linked with lots of people i.e. Cabella, Gomis, a million other Ligue 1 players.

I hope that with Joe Kinnear gone we might actually sign a few.
 
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