Poll: which party are you going to vote in up coming elections?

Who will you be voting for?

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spudbynight said:
They want to treat people from all nations exactly the same. They want to manage immigration based on the skills and value to the UK of the people coming into the country. (Just like Australia or the US do for example)

The other three parties want to discriminate against non EU people. They want to discriminate, for example, against Indians based solely on their nationality.
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I actually agree with you here to some extent. However, the point that the discrimination hinges on is locality, not race. Yes, you could argue that you discriminate because Indian people are not as easily allowed in as Europeans, but nor are Europeans generally thousands of miles away.

They simply don't equate.
 
AdladUK said:
Awesome! Now the majority of UKIP voters are racist! :rolleyes:

BTW there's absolutely nothing racist about wanting to reduce immigration and put tighter controls on it. That's a perfectly normal policy that a large number of other countries take very seriously in order to preserve their economy/culture/general well being.

It's very apparent people don't even know the meaning of words they throw about all the time
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A greater proportion when used in the context of a comparison doesn't imply a majority.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
If UKIP do get more seats in the European Parliament, though, we surely stand to suffer as they don't actually turn up that often. Also, it's not them who decide in or out, is it? I thought that would be decided by a referendum carried out by the government in power?
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Don't forget that when Farage does actually turn up all he does is take the floor then go off on an irrelevant tirade insulting everyone in the room and ridiculing their countries on behalf of the British people.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
I actually agree with you here to some extent. However, the point that the discrimination hinges on is locality, not race. Yes, you could argue that you discriminate because Indian people are not as easily allowed in as Europeans, but nor are Europeans generally thousands of miles away.

They simply don't equate.
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However Farage has been accused of being racist for talking about people from Romania. Detractors of UKIP can't have it both ways.
 
Shadez said:
What has my political allegiance have to do with providing evidence, or are you trying to attack the person asking for evidence instead of answering the question?
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Nothing at all. Just treating this thread how everyone not voting UKIP is treating UKIP voters.

I did leave out the 'idiot/racist/thick' remarks that half these posters should be banned for calling nearly 300 members names, but i'm nice like that :p

You was probably a bad person to do it on tho, so sorry.
 
deuse said:
"MILLIONS of voters are set to give the European Union the electoral equivalent of a kick in the pants"

"And with public disenchantment with the EU at the highest level in a generation "

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/47...-are-threatening-to-rewrite-the-electoral-map

Not long now :)
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The issue with that is the danger it may kick back, the rest of the EU are already getting pretty fed up with the UK as we are acting somewhat like the child who has his cake then throws a tantrum because he want's everyone else's, we were quite unpopular already in a lot of circles due to things like getting the lions share of farm subsidies.

But now that our politicians are acting pretty anti-EU in their rhetoric in order to appeal to voters who know nothing about the EU except the "EU bad!" "our jawbs!" crap the read in their page three newspaper, it could turn EU opinion against us even more :(


AdladUK said:
Oh and I would argue strongly the general population is far more informed than it ever has been
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That is arguable, however as it is due to them knowing much more of the bad points and downsides than ever before while knowing even less of the good/positive points it's also arguable that they are worse educated on the EU than ever before. Hence why if the torys stay in the referendum won't be until 2017 in order to actually make sure people are informed as to what they are voting on.


AdladUK said:
No don't back beddle. Making the comparison between Farage and Hitler on any level is absolutely ridiculous. End of story.
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Not true, making it on the level of genocidal madman is ridiculous, making it on the level of racial supremacist who advanced medical science 20-30 years in pursuit of his goals is ridiculous. But making it on the level of politician who gained support by blaming things on immigrants in order to stir up public support and direct their frustrations at a target so he could ride the momentum is spot on.
 
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spudbynight said:
However Farage has been accused of being racist for talking about people from Romania. Detractors of UKIP can't have it both ways.
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No, I don't think Farage is racist. Part of what we've all been trying to say is that he has a large number of people in his party who are racist, and the party itself attracts racists (more than any other less fringe party).
 
Tunney said:
UKIP doesn't want to privatise the NHS because of those two reasons, it wants to private the NHS because it's "inefficient". UKIP's logic is utterly flawed, don't you agree?
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I dont really have enough information to agree as the evidence linked only covers 7 health systems. That in now way suggets they are the "most efficient in the world".

However as it is UKIP I will probably disagree with them just on general principle... :)
 
deuse said:
Why not?
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Maybe i'm afforded a slightly different perspective due to working for law enforcement, but of some of the investigations we are involved in, passports go missing, people go missing and people's identity changes faster than you honestly think possible.

I'm sure it could be argued that once allowed in mainland UK, it is entirely plausible that people simply vanish. Doing jobs on the sly for cash, getting involved in nefarious activities (hence why we are interested in them), or simply something as simple as marrying a UK national and having children when they were here illegally in the first place.

Student visas were the most abused system, but 3yrs ago a huge clamp down happened which cost many Universities and colleges ridiculous levels of fines and retracted grants.
 
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