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Not really sure what this has to do with the EU elections, unless you're trying to say that it's showing how desperate Labour supporters are? Tenuous at best.

Politics aside of course, it's pretty awful.
 
Didn't you know that it's Nigel posting from the pub.

Hahah!!

This is why i hold elmarko in higher esteem than you, you simply cannot say anything without abuse to those who have opposite views to you. It's the politics of negatives and that's why no one is listening to your side of the spectrum any more.

I'd like you say why your party is so much better without mentioning UKIP once, or at least back up your views with hard evidance, go on you might like it

Fair enough, I'll take that on board. He and I hold very similar views, but he's able to explain them much more eloquently than I can, and he has a lot more patience. Can you explain the politics of negatives?

Unfortunately, I don't feel that I can completely support any party. What I do know is that I have certain views, and the parties that fall most in line with those views are the Lib Dems and Greens. The fact that the Lib Dems let me down in the general elections means that I will be voting Green. I am also more concerned with environmental and social policy, rather than economic, which appears to be the concern of more right wing parties.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-05-21/blackburn-ukip-candidate-stabbed-in-the-face/

Blackburn Ukip candidate 'stabbed in the face'

Bobby Anwar, who is running for Blackburn council, said in a Facebook post yesterday that he was attacked by a man from a family who are "avid Labour supporters."

Oh dear. What ****s. I can't understand this mentality; I may not like UKIP but fighting should happen in words, not actions.
 
Can you explain the politics of negatives?.

I can tell you what i mean it to be. It's where other parties talk about how bad everyone else is without talking about why people should vote them instead, all parties are guilty of it at one point or another and i don't like it. Osborne done this morning and here's a great example from Labour.


http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-05-21/blackburn-ukip-candidate-stabbed-in-the-face/

Blackburn Ukip candidate 'stabbed in the face'

Bobby Anwar, who is running for Blackburn council, said in a Facebook post yesterday that he was attacked by a man from a family who are "avid Labour supporters."

Words fail me.
 
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-05-21/blackburn-ukip-candidate-stabbed-in-the-face/

Blackburn Ukip candidate 'stabbed in the face'

Bobby Anwar, who is running for Blackburn council, said in a Facebook post yesterday that he was attacked by a man from a family who are "avid Labour supporters."

Playing devils advocate, but the picture in the article is meant to be from the facebook of the attacked. He claims he will need extensive surgery, but the picture looks like a very minor wound on the cheek...
 
This was shared with me the other day and I agree with its sentiments.

Please take the time to read and share Labour MP Ian Lavery's brilliant speech:

''There wasn’t one tear shed in the mining community up and down this country when Margaret Thatcher died because of what she did against the miners and our communities and the working people of this country.

Thatcher lied to Parliament and lied to the people of this country because she wanted to topple the NUM and destroy the labour movement. And we should never forgive or forget what Thatcher and the Tories did to our people.

If the police had been held accountable then we might have avoided the disaster of Hillsborough. It was the same people. They got away with blue murder during the miners’ strike and they did the same at Hillsborough.

We have a year to the general election. People up and down this country are suffering under this government.

We have record levels of unemployment. People who are under-employed. People on zero-hours contracts who don’t count as unemployed even though they don’t earn a penny in a week.

We have a million people on zero-hours contracts. People, mainly women, waiting to get the text to see if they are offered any work that week.

People cannot live on the minimum wage. People need a living wage. I’m delighted that Ed Miliband said we will regulate zero-hours contracts — but we should go further and abolish zero-hours contracts.

The Labour Party needs to get to grips with what is happening out there because the Labour Party does not have a divine right to demand loyalty from the trade union movement.

Many people think that they are forgetting their core values. It is time the party looked in the mirror and, instead of looking for the squeezed middle, ask why people are not prepared to come out and vote any more, or vote for other parties. Because the offer on the table from the Labour Party isn't good enough any more.

We need more train drivers in Parliament. We need more miners in Parliament. We need more working-class people in Parliament. We need more disabled people in Parliament. We need more people who have been unemployed in Parliament. We need more women in Parliament and we need more ethnic minorities in Parliament. We don’t need any more special advisers in Parliament.

Being working class isn't a means test. I get £67,000 as an MP and I’m working class. I know where I come from and I’m proud of where I come from.

Why should this country honour someone like Gary Barlow who has been ripping this country off every day for the last 20 years. I say Take That! And take it back!

We need the renationalisation of the privatised state utilities. It’s not a Marxist philosophy. It’s common sense. You can’t control what you don’t own.

Aslef is fighting a great campaign with the other unions on the railways for a public-owned and a publicly accountable railway.
It’s a huge cost-of-living issue here in Brighton where we need to get seats at the next election. It’s a vote-winner. And will show people that the Labour Party means business.

We need to introduce a charter of workers’ rights. We cannot allow people to work on zero-hours contracts. We can’t allow people to work without proper health and safety provision.

I mean, who thinks this up? Who says, how can we get rid of this deficit?

We’ll charge people for having an extra bedroom. It’s only the poor and the disabled who suffer. We should be proud of the welfare state, not looking to cut “but not quite so quick.”

The only party that can change things for people are the Labour Party. But we shouldn't regulate pay-day loan companies, we should abolish pay-day loan companies.

And if there is a coalition with the Liberal Democrats I will be devastated. Because I think they are yellow-bellied *******s!''
 
Playing devils advocate, but the picture in the article is meant to be from the facebook of the attacked. He claims he will need extensive surgery, but the picture looks like a very minor wound on the cheek...

There is also no evidence the attack has anything to do with party allegiance.
 
The only party that can change things for people are the Labour Party.

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Depends how you look at it,

He's right but quite clearly it's a statement about Red ED not being RED enough I don't think milliband and balls could do anything but balls it up. Just like I didn't trust GB to do the job.

David Milliband I could have voted for in a flash.

So I'm stuck a firm Labour fan with no party to support GO ME.
 
Milliband is the most bumbling politician I have ever seen. For all his guffaws and toodlepips, at least Boris actually has a brain.
 
Even though most of us know that immigration is a side issue... it would seem that view is not shared by the masses.
We all know this forum is no where near the average bloke who lives in the uk.

most people on here have good jobs and lots of money as seen in the various threads about what tax bracket people are in.

To the majority living in poor areas immigration is a huge issue.

BTW there's only 3 kids in my 8 year old sons class out of 30 that speak english as their first language.
but it's aright for you guys with your kids going to posh schools who don't have their kids education held back because at the school english is becoming a minority when just a few years ago it was mainly full of english kids.

restricting immigration is already too late for the next few generations of children that attend regular crappy schools because the flood gates were left open for far to bloody long thanks to labour.

just let them all in never mind if it brings down the quality of life and education for the people already living here.

it's not like these politicians have to experience any of the negatives that come with it all they see if the cheap labour and ignore the impact it has on schools and communities
 
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I think the big problem in modern politics is the same it has always been... the people who gravitate towards politics are generally the upper class or at least rich. They have NO IDEA how the real world works.... in their world everything is paid for on expense and the concept that they would actually have to spend their salary on living and paying bills, instead of investing it all is an alien idea.

Now dont get me wrong there are some down to earth MP's but the majority still have no idea what is like to be on the breadline... having to choose wether to clothe and keep yourself warm, or eat and pay the rent. If you happen to be lucky enough to HAVE a job.

They just show themselves to be out of touch and always hark on about "the average salary of £28k".... many MANY workers have less than half of that to take home. And those are the lucky ones with jobs.

No wonder people turn to UKIP... they see the main 3 parties as utterly incompetant and out of touch with the real world.

Of course those with nice jobs and nice lives will just dismiss people as work shy, lazy or unmotivated. The politics of denial.

There needs to be a dynamic shift in how we choose our goverments but business and the status quo have far more money and reasons to keep things as they are.
 
"The police investigation into this one must be allowed to take its course" Poor guy.

"Lancashire Police said a man had been arrested and bailed over an alleged attack on Ukip council candidate Bobby Anwar"

"A Ukip council candidate has claimed he was stabbed in the face by a Muslim neighbour."

Oh Dear
 
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We all know this forum is no where near the average bloke who lives in the uk.

most people on here have good jobs and lots of money as seen in the various threads about what tax bracket people are in.

To the majority living in poor areas immigration is a huge issue.

I am one of the poor blokes :p

Yes its is an issue but its is not the biggest issue we face as a country... but the current trend seems to be who can call who a racist with the loudest voice first!

I dont have kids thankfully... but i have lived in inner city areas for a good decade when i worked in manchester and have seen how things have changed for the worse.

I now live in a nice commuter town and am thankful that i got out of the inner city.

Even though i have had a fairly tough life and never had much money i have always been fairly onside with the conservatives. I believe in helping yourself as best you can and only having the state provide a safty net to help you pick yourself up.

Now though i believe the conservatives have gone too far... i have seen first hand how the disabled are treated under the new system and those who are most vulnerable have been fed to the dogs. A close friend who has fibromyalgia, 4 slipped discs and acute vertigo was told to get a job as a cleaner instead of "lying in her bed all day". She is on morphine for constant pain and stuggles to even get dressed and use the toilet by herself.... her doctor went absolutely ballistic when he found out what they had said to her, they backed down in the end only because the doctor said he was going to get legally involved as they were making out he was wrong... he was going to go after them for calling him incompetant!

They run the system now with zero empathy and its all about money not about providing care for those who need it.... everyone is now a scammer it seems.
 
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"The police investigation into this one must be allowed to take its course" Poor guy.

"Lancashire Police said a man had been arrested and bailed over an alleged attack on Ukip council candidate Bobby Anwar"

"A Ukip council candidate has claimed he was stabbed in the face by a Muslim neighbour."

Oh Dear

Bobby Anwar is also a Muslim btw.
 
I think the big problem in modern politics is the same it has always been... the people who gravitate towards politics are generally the upper class or at least rich. They have NO IDEA how the real world works.... in their world everything is paid for on expense and the concept that they would actually have to spend their salary on living and paying bills, instead of investing it all is an alien idea.

Now dont get me wrong there are some down to earth MP's but the majority still have no idea what is like to be on the breadline... having to choose wether to clothe and keep yourself warm, or eat and pay the rent. If you happen to be lucky enough to HAVE a job.

They just show themselves to be out of touch and always hark on about "the average salary of £28k".... many MANY workers have less than half of that to take home. And those are the lucky ones with jobs.

No wonder people turn to UKIP... they see the main 3 parties as utterly incompetent and out of touch with the real world.

Of course those with nice jobs and nice lives will just dismiss people as work shy, lazy or unmotivated. The politics of denial.

There needs to be a dynamic shift in how we choose our governments but business and the status quo have far more money and reasons to keep things as they are.
You are correct that the political class has ignored the needs of the average poorly paid worker.

The reason for this is because it's one of the least politically active groups out there - Labour used to support the rights of the workers in a far more active way, but the shift towards the right in social attitudes in the UK (when people who were working class, started to identify themselves as upper-working class, or 'middle class') - the party changed to maintain a chance of actually regaining power & it worked).

Look at the last Labour landslide. Simply put, popularist politics aimed at appeasing the social climbers/middle classes usually win elections. The increased popularity in UKIP is a predictable response during the times of austerity - when the previously ignored social groups get hit disproportionally harder are expected to shut up & take it.

The problem is UKIP offer no real solutions to these social problems & are utilising genuine anger & concern over the state of the country for their benefit.

What's worse is that really, there isn't anybody worth voting for - The Greens are pretty much unelectable due to having too many policies which are add odds with the standard social ideals, the Conservatives & Labour have both done little to nothing to address these issues, the Liberal Democrats have lost all political legitimacy & the BNP are laughable.

I do believe UKIP will do well in the elections & if they do well in the general will entirely depend on how they perform (based on historical trends very badly) over the coming year.

I found an article some time ago which echoes my views on the matter (looking at Europe - not the UK specifically).

"Conclusion

Right-wing parties have enormously increased their voting share beginning with the 1980s, when the economy slowed down, structural unemployment increased, and the intended guest-workers and refugees did not return to their country of origin.

Right-wing parties have fully exploited the cultural and economic fears of the domestic population, and offer simple-sounding solutions, such as stopping new migration. With the inability of the mainstream parties to seriously consider the needs of most working- and middle class people due to globalization and an economic crisis, affecting most of Europe,

the future prospects of right-wing parties are better than ever".
 
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I am one of the poor blokes :p

Yes its is an issue but its is not the biggest issue we face as a country... but the current trend seems to be who can call who a racist with the loudest voice first!

I dont have kids thankfully... but i have lived in inner city areas for a good decade when i worked in manchester and have seen how things have changed for the worse.

I now live in a nice commuter town and am thankful that i got out of the inner city.

Even though i have had a fairly tough life and never had much money i have always been fairly onside with the conservatives. I believe in helping yourself as best you can and only having the state provide a safty net to help you pick yourself up.

Now though i believe the conservatives have gone too far... i have seen first hand how the disabled are treated under the new system and those who are most vulnerable have been fed to the dogs. A close friend who has fibromyalgia, 4 slipped discs and acute vertigo was told to get a job as a cleaner instead of "lying in her bed all day". She is on morphine for constant pain and stuggles to even get dressed and use the toilet by herself.... her doctor went absolutely ballistic when he found out what they had said to her, they backed down in the end only because the doctor said he was going to get legally involved as they were making out he was wrong... he was going to go after them for calling him incompetant!

They run the system now with zero empathy and its all about money not about providing care for those who need it.... everyone is now a scammer it seems.

That's a shocking story but not uncommon sadly. I know of people in my area who have gone through similar agonies with this Tory government. I volunteer for AGE UK every week. One of our users is a 56 year old man called Mel. He's in a wheelchair and only has one leg. He was told he was fit to work as he could use crutches. He's currently appealing the decision. UKIP are even more right wing. If they got in (which they never will thankfully) it would be even worse.
 
Right-wing parties have fully exploited the cultural and economic fears of the domestic population, and offer simple-sounding solutions, such as stopping new migration. With the inability of the mainstream parties to seriously consider the needs of most working- and middle class people due to globalization and an economic crisis, affecting most of Europe,
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100%, couldn't agree more,
 
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