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Reference cards are better overclockers ???

Dicehunter

Dicehunter

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So I've been looking around benchmarks, Reviews, Various other forums and forum goers and going from my own experience as well I have noticed reference cards tend to be the best overclockers even with the introduction of custom PCB's etc... Why is this ?, Surely the more "Custom" PCB's and better components would mean better clocks, I know the silicon lottery has a huge part to play but nearly all cards that I've seen compete equally with their reference counter parts.
 
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Can't comment on Nvidia, but AMD reference boards are very hard to beat, vrm circuitry is almost bullet proof enabling silly voltage.
 
You are arrogant.

If you're on ambient cooling, reference PCB is more than up to the job and then some (for AMD) Nvidia is slightly different, where getting a card with a beefed up PCB makes sense if you're wanting to use more than 1.35v with relative safety (not saying you can't use more, you can...just a risk :D)

Silicon quality comes into play regardless, though i would put money on if you were to buy 100 Ltgs/Matrix/Classys and 100 bogo cards, your average clock would be higher on the former.
 
Dicehunter said:
I called you arrogant as you were insulting other forum members and calling people sheep for following the advice of well known overclockers such as 8Pack.
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and where does 8pack advice anyone to get a matrix for water or air? And how does it give you any benefits over any other cards? I can understand how the extra phases and voltage control helps on LN2, but on water or air? lol.
 
My reference cards have always clocked better than my Lightnings, Classifieds and DCUII's. Could be pure luck I guess but who knows.
 
Custom cards for air are just stupid.Only the better cooler worth it. You are sheep if you believe msi and asus marketing.If you dont go below zero stick with the card with the best cooler.
 
Rangerjr1 said:
and where does 8pack advice anyone to get a matrix for water or air? And how does it give you any benefits over any other cards? I can understand how the extra phases and voltage control helps on LN2, but on water or air? lol.
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I have never said that he did you just made that up in your tiny head, I bought the Matrix to do an LN2 session with it once I finish moving country but seeing as I'm using the card now the general temperatures of the card make the rest of my system uncomfortably hot.

And stop calling people sheep, It's quite insulting and very arrogant, People follow the advice of experienced clockers until they have enough knowledge of their own that they feel confident to experiment.

Sugarhell said:
Custom cards for air are just stupid.Only the better cooler worth it. You are sheep if you believe msi and asus marketing.If you dont go below zero stick with the card with the best cooler.
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So people are sheep for seeing a card with a better cooler and thinking it would have better temperatures ? Grow up.
 
Dicehunter said:
I have never said that he did you just made that up in your tiny head, I bought the Matrix to do an LN2 session with it once I finish moving country but seeing as I'm using the card now the general temperatures of the card make the rest of my system uncomfortably hot.

And stop calling people sheep, It's quite insulting and very arrogant, People follow the advice of experienced clockers until they have enough knowledge of their own that they feel confident to experiment.
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My knowledge + reference cards = Higher scores on water than all other single 290s? (Not sure if someone surpassed me though).

And yea, same deal with my reference 7970. Beasty from here is the only one who beat me so far as far as i know.

Meh, dont listen to me lol.

Show me your scores when you're done ln2ing it
 
Rangerjr1 said:
My knowledge + reference cards = Higher scores on water than all other single 290s? (Not sure if someone surpassed me though).

And yea, same deal with my reference 7970.

Meh, dont listen to me lol.

Show me your scores when you're done ln2ing it
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I don't and no, All you do is insult people for not following your advice, You need to grow up.
 
The problem might be that AMD/NVidia use the best cores on reference cards and then saved all of the poor, power hungry, hot running cores for the aftermarket cards which would be able to handle them better. If that's the case I imagine things will improve as yields get better.
 
mmj_uk said:
The problem might be that AMD used the best cores on reference cards and then saved all of the poor, power hungry, hot running cores for the aftermarket cards which would be able to handle them better. If that's the case I imagine things will improve as yields get better.
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This makes sense seeing the reference clocks.
 
Tonester0011 said:
You don't give advice, you berate and belittle others who don't have as good clocking cards (or refuse to put 1.63v into them).
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I berate people who buy Matrixes because they believe the marketing and say its better than reference cards. (Spreading wrong info, again; May not be true for LN2)
 
mmj_uk said:
The problem might be that AMD/NVidia use the best cores on reference cards and then saved all of the poor, power hungry, hot running cores for the aftermarket cards which would be able to handle them better. If that's the case I imagine things will improve as yields get better.
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Not really. Ref cards ASIC is between 60%-85%. Below 60% they used them for 290 thats why some 290 could unlocked them to a 290x.Then asus ,msi and evga sometimes bin chips based on the ASIC quality (60-75% is the best for ln2,watercool).IN reality the really high asic quality are the hottest one but they use the lower volts. 7990 chips were 85%+ asic quality and they used really low stock voltage.In general you see low ASIC chips to the custom cards
 
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