Yea I'm still not sure whether he'll be alive or not, Oberyn said that he was dying after stabbing and said he couldn't die until the confession but then again it is the Mountain so normal rules may well not apply to him
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Yea I'm still not sure whether he'll be alive or not, Oberyn said that he was dying after stabbing and said he couldn't die until the confession but then again it is the Mountain so normal rules may well not apply to him
And having it confirmed by someone who's read the books that he isn't dead is a spoiler. I'm not fussed if there is a potentially bigger spoiler... the point is that watching the TV show alone, where it ended... people are speculating about what has happened, are they both dead etc.. and now someone has come along and confirmed that he isn't. The fact it's minor and there is a bigger twist as in your spoiler tags is irrelevant... someone who has read the books shouldn't be confirming or denying events that the show has left unknown at the end of the last episode.
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There is no "nudge nudge" going on.
He's referencing my joke spoiler saying that Cersei is alive in next week's episode...
Oh, and let's not forget that all I said was this:
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And I'm still struggling to understand how anyone could think that a fight that results in a man being very obviously alive while crushing another man's skull could be seen as a draw.
As for The Mountain... There was no mystery made of it in the show. You've created that for yourselves.
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I too am curious as to why people think the mountain is dead.
As that alternative ending pointed out, he purposefully didn't kill him. He wounded him, but then worried he'd injured him too far as he had wanted to extract a confession out of him. It would have been so much better for audiences had he stuck a great sword in his chest and finished him off. But he got cocky and wanted to leave him alive to confess.
That's when the mountain (very much alive) got up and squashed the guys head. The guy wields a great sword that normally takes 2 hands to swing, with one hand. The guy is near 7 foot tall and wears a suit of armor that no other man could hope to wear as its so heavy.
They nickname him the mountain.
So how can anybody think he wouldn't recover from those light wounds inflicted on him ?
As that alternative ending pointed out, he purposefully didn't kill him. He wounded him, but then worried he'd injured him too far as he had wanted to extract a confession out of him. It would have been so much better for audiences had he stuck a great sword in his chest and finished him off. But he got cocky and wanted to leave him alive to confess.
That's when the mountain (very much alive) got up and squashed the guys head. The guy wields a great sword that normally takes 2 hands to swing, with one hand. The guy is near 7 foot tall and wears a suit of armor that no other man could hope to wear as its so heavy.
They nickname him the mountain.
So how can anybody think he wouldn't recover from those light wounds inflicted on him ?
I must apologise for not making myself more clear. I was responding to those who believe The Mountain to be dead after he collapsed and if so how it could or could not be classed as a draw.
I know the status of The Mountain so was just speaking hypothetically
He clearly wasn't dead at the end of the fight. However, he was very seriously injured. Maybe it didn't come across so clearly in the TV episode, but in the books it does detail how badly wounded he is.
So the question outstanding is simply, can he recover from his (severe) injuries?
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we don't know what his wounds are, and whether he will make a full recovery - that much is still unknown if you're just watching the show
But the show made it very clear he isn't dead and that tyrion lost - and will be sentenced to death.
But the show made it very clear he isn't dead and that tyrion lost - and will be sentenced to death.
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I must apologise for not making myself more clear. I was responding to those who believe The Mountain to be dead after he collapsed and if so how it could or could not be classed as a draw.
I know the status of The Mountain so was just speaking hypothetically
No worries.
It's not the first and definitely won't be the last crossed wires incident in this thread
Oh, I didn't read your spoiler tags of course, so missed out on the hilarious joke. Thought you were referring to another fairly boring female character.
It didn't... that's the whole point... he collapsed next to him its not obvious either way. Its obvious to people who already know what is going to happen - and discussion over it might look silly to them but the point is they already know what is going to happen and shouldn't be revealing that one way or another. If the show has left something ambiguous at the end then it will be revealed next week - it doesn't need to be revealed by someone who already knows and thinks they should just post that he's alive anyway because its nothing major and there is some further plot twist regarding him still to come.
Its not unreasonable to question whether he's dead or not after watching the show... it was left ambiguous. If people who've read the books can just stop commenting on what hasn't been revealed yet in the TV show then that would be much more helpful rather than silly posts confirming details they know to be fact simply because in their opinion they're minor and hints at larger spoilers.
Its not hard to do - if you already know whats going to happen then don't comment on it... the show would have revealed whether or not he's dead and whether or not that becomes important.... not some comment on a forum from someone who already knows for sure he isn't dead.
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Yes. No. Maybe.
Tyrion can't die surely:?
I don't think he will. Looks like Jamie and Varys might get him out of King's landing somehow...
Given that GRRM is known to have taken the stance of writing his books in such a way as to purposefully destroy all the common cliches in such things (the noble man winning in the end (Ned), the son avenging his father (Robb), pregnant women and childen being safe, etc) then I think all bets are off. I, for one, rather like the unpredictability of it all.
he collapsed because he had a chunk out of his leg, not because he was dead. I really don't see how people can think he's dead
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He got stabbed in the gut/chest at one point, didn't he, or am I remembering it wrong?
He got stabbed in the gut/chest at one point, didn't he?
yeah once, lightly by the end of a pike thing.
To finish him off, it should have been like in that alternate ending above with lots of stabbing to properly kill him. I'd have reached for his great sword and stuck that in his chest and left it there to finish the job personally.
He is called the mountain after all !
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Does anyone really think he'd die that easily from those relatively minor wounds given who he is and also considering the grisly fates of all the others in this show?
Quite. Oberyn was deliberately trying not to inflict a killer blow until he had a confession.
Besides, it seems unlikely that the Mountain would have the strength to crush a man's head one second and be dead the next. And even if he is slowly dying of his wounds, that makes no difference to the result of the fight.