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Richard Huddy - Gaming Scientist Interviewed

Rusty0611 said:
I don't disagree completely, Tommy, but it's still a fallacious statement to make because if I steal an apple (over tesselate) will I also steal a car (purposefully gimp AMD through GW)?

The probability I will is probably higher but that's not to say I will definitely become a career thief.
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If it weren't for the numerous occasions nvidia have been caught with their pants down purposefully gimping performance I would agree, but I can't, fallacious statements, just no.
 
_Alatar_ said:
ITT: AMD fans repeating AMD PR talking points over and over again.

When asked for proof they ignore the request for proof and post the same talking points again.

After being proven wrong they play victim for being "attacked", bow out and call it even.

I was wrong, it's not like american politics. It's worse.
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When people lay the word 'Fan' on others to illustrate a "me and you" proclamation it become blindingly obvious to me that they see themselves as a member of one church defending it against another.
As with all religions reasoning and good sense goes right out of the window.
 
humbug said:
When people lay the word 'Fan' on others to illustrate a "me and you" proclamation it become blindingly obvious to me that they see themselves as a member of one church defending it against another.
As with all religions reasoning and good sense goes right out of the window.
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*Looks at Humbug's sig* not sure if serious?

Still I like that after an 83 minute video we've basically learnt nothing new but have started up the GameWorks 'discussion' again...

One thing I did find a little interesting was his mention of FreeSync matching refresh rates when you plugged it in. Sounds good, but I'm wondering if this means that framerates will be limited to this, meaning that Max FPS in benchmarks will now cap out at whatever the top end of the monitor is because they'll have sync'd at this point? Will it be something you can just disable like Vsync (except at a driver level presumably, unless all games have to support it)?
He didn't really explain how GSync does it, from what I recall, but I guess that could have similar issues.
Also interesting about the 1 frame of lag with Gsync. As said at 9 fps this will be noticeable but isn't part of the point to stop tearing when you're able to produce more fps than the monitor can display without needing Vsync? I'd imagine at 60, 120, 240fps 1 frame is gonna be a lot less noticeable.
 
tommybhoy said:
If it weren't for the numerous occasions nvidia have been caught with their pants down purposefully gimping performance I would agree, but I can't, fallacious statements, just no.
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By the same virtue: "AMDs drivers were historically bad so therefore their drivers are likely to be bad in the future". Fallacy there; fallacy previously.

My point stands... past delinquency on both points may indicate it could happen again in the future but not enough to really start creating FUD without any indication. Not to say you have been doing so personally but there has been a lot (on both the AMD drivers front and GW) of guff regurgitated as fact.

So to bring it all the way back, I just don't think it is relevant to nVidia doing anything wrong here. I did say a couple of pages back that GW could definitely be used to harm AMD but until that is the case everybody should just calm down.
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
*Looks at Humbug's sig* not sure if serious?
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There is a difference between vanity signature displays and labaling an opposing distinction upon others, all they are doing is distinguishing themselves as an opponent.

allmost everyone on these forums have vanity signatures, including you, and yet do not parade around the forums labelling with the 'Fan' distinction.
 
_Alatar_ said:
ITT: AMD fans repeating AMD PR talking points over and over again.

When asked for proof they ignore the request for proof and post the same talking points again.

After being proven wrong they play victim for being "attacked", bow out and call it even.

I was wrong, it's not like american politics. It's worse.
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This, essentially.

Also, I have seen them ask "Prove that GW is not gimping AMD performance", which is ridiculous and shows a clear lack of comprehension for the scientific method. One does not prove that something is not the case, the onus is on the persons making the claims to prove that they're correct. Particle Physicists don't try to prove that the Higgs Boson doesn't exist for example, the research goes towards proving its existence as is always the case with proper science.
 
humbug said:
There is a difference between vanity signature displays and labaling an opposing distinction upon others, all they are doing is distinguishing themselves as an opponent.

allmost everyone on these forums have vanity signatures, including you, and yet do not parade around the forums labelling with the 'Fan' distinction.
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You're quite clearly putting yourself in a camp with your sig though, nobody needs to do that for you.

My sig is to provide information. Either to save me listing information if I'm asking for help with something or to give an indication that I have some experience with certain hardware. If I comment that Haswell chips can run hot, it's easy to see I'm talking from some experience rather than repeating parrot fashion what I've read on a forum.
From my signature you can tell what CPUs I have, what motherboards, what graphics cards, what cases, what PSUs, etc. From yours I can tell that you like AMD so much that'll you'll advertise for them.
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
You're quite clearly putting yourself in a camp with your sig though, nobody needs to do that for you.

My sig is to provide information. Either to save me listing information if I'm asking for help with something or to give an indication that I have some experience with certain hardware. If I comment that Haswell chips can run hot, it's easy to see I'm talking from some experience rather than repeating parrot fashion what I've read on a forum.
From my signature you can tell what CPUs I have, what motherboards, what graphics cards, what cases, what PSUs, etc. From yours I can tell that you like AMD so much that'll you'll advertise for them.
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Its not a crime to like a brand, that does not mean i dislike others, to draw such a conclusion from my signature says more about the person making such assumptions than the signature.

That's the distinction, simply displaying what i like is not the same as labelling someone who is running different hardware as a disciple to theirs. "all you AMD fans.... newp newp newp rant"
 
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Since when was "fan" a dirty word :p?

Isn't being a fan liking something? So, I like Logitech, I'm a Logitech fan.

Isn't it "fanboy" when it becomes more?
 
humbug said:
There is a difference between vanity signature displays and labaling an opposing distinction upon others, all they are doing is distinguishing themselves as an opponent.

allmost everyone on these forums have vanity signatures, including you, and yet do not parade around the forums labelling with the 'Fan' distinction.
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Yeha, I'm not sure you can call yours a vanity sig. How many nVidia users do you see with:

lolznvidiasig.jpg
 
Sin_Chase said:
SHUT UP IT'S JUST A SIG AND DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING. ;)

If I used that sig I made for lols, I would fully expect to be labelled a fanboy.
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Did you actually spend time making that just for some point scoring?

Can we get back on topic now please. Why give the dons unnecessary work.
 
AMD and Nvidia are both as bad as each other, they both try and generate positive PR and make their hardware seem the best for games.

AMD spun the console wins into positive PR and uses Mantle to improve performance of their own lower end CPU and enhance GPU, Nvidia does not use GCN so in effect this is a propriety thing just like Gameworks.

With Gameworks Nvidia provide support and likely finance to developers to enhance the games and optimize towards Nvidia hardware, I don't see a problem here? If AMD do have a problem why not offer these developers in question a better deal so they enhance Radeon cards instead? Crying about it just makes them seem weak. Especially when touting Mantle as open, as right now it only runs on GCN so by definition it is not open. This could change in the future as the new AMD guy pointed out, but still right now it's limited to GCN and it's beta stage.

All is fair in love and war, and tbh competition in the GPU is war :D

Tbh wish both would stop moaning about software and start producing some actual new hardware on 20nm. If their was a third GPU vendor to buy from, who didn't moan and cry on the internet I would go and buy from them :p
 
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