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Pentium K gaming review from Bit-Tech

http://www.pcgamer.com/uk/review/intel-pentium-anniversary-edition-g3258-review/


The gaming tests—mostly because of the weak single-threaded performance—also have the G3258 well behind the rest. For the most part you’re looking at between 15-20% lower average frame rates compared with the i5 4570 and in the CPU-intensive Battlefield 4 the dual-core Pentium is over 40% slower. But this chip is all about overclocking, and things change around completely when you start playing with the clockspeeds. And, for the record, I’m no serious overclocker—all I’ve done is stick a closed-loop liquid chiller on top and thrown the CPU multiplier up in the BIOS. The awesome little G3258 has done the rest.

From a starting point of 3.2GHz I was able to get the G3258 running at a completely stable, and relatively cool, 4.6GHz. That’s the same top clockspeed I’ve been able to get from our Core i7 4770K engineering sample. Running at that top speed the gaming performance difference almost completely disappears. Suddenly the Pentium is only a few frames per second slower than the Turbo-mode quad core chip that’s three times the price.


Battlefield 4 is the real sticking point for this chip, and highlights how an increasingly multi-threaded gaming world is going to make things difficult for lower core count processors. Still, boosting the clocks cuts the Pentium’s deficit against the i5 4570 in half. Right now Battlefield 4 is the exception rather than the rule.


From google no mention of 2400mhz ram.
 
from a competitor site who are annoyingly a fiver cheaper :(


Specification:-
- Lithography Process: 22 nm
- Cores: 2
- Threads: 2
- Frequency: 3.20GHz
- Integrated HD Graphics
- Cache: 3MB shared L3
- Memory Controller: Dual channel DDR3 1600/1866/2133/2400/2666+ MHz
 
A £60 Intel CPU is beating AMD's top CPU in gaming benchmarks, what parallel dimension have I stumbled into? lmao.

Bit-tech are not exactly being very fair putting up 2 very old DX9 games and calling it a gaming comparison. it seems very selective when they pick games people played many years ago when we have a huge array of current games where the same CPU would perform very badly, even compared to AMD.
 
Bit-tech are not exactly being very fair putting up 2 very old DX9 games and calling it a gaming comparison.

Admittedly it would look a lot different in say BF4, however for anything that uses 2 cores or less (the majority of games) the fact a £60 Intel CPU can match a stock FX-9590 is somewhat lol considering that bang for buck has always been AMD's strength (of course you would need a decent cooler but then the 9590 is OEM anyway).
 
It will get killed in some of those games i bet as most of them can use more than two cores. But they will all lose in single threaded wow,skyrm,totalwar games etc which is why the cost saving is great IF you know the limits of your games.


It is extremely niche and an i3 for some will be a better choice so will some of the AMD's or as Cat rightly mentioned a second hand Q6600. But like i said if someone wanted a brand new modern Skyrm/Wow box for £600 in Matx flavour it will kill the competition if overclocked.

Agreed.
 
Admittedly it would look a lot different in say BF4, however for anything that uses 2 cores or less (the majority of games) the fact a £60 Intel CPU can match a stock FX-9590 is somewhat lol considering that bang for buck has always been AMD's strength (of course you would need a decent cooler but then the 9590 is OEM anyway).

The problem is that by extension,you might as well forget about the Core i5 4670 or Core i7 4770 non-K,since the G3258 overclocked will get close to those too,or bypass a £127 Core i5 4440.

None of you believe all the "majority stuff",since all of you use Core i5s and Core i7s. No one is going to suggest someone to get rid of a locked Core i5 3470 or Core i5 2500 for example,even for a 5GHZ G3258,despite the latter doing much better in single threaded tests. In that Bit-tech test the G3258 was slightly on top of a Core i7 3770 non-K. I don't see people suddenly suggesting that people now start ditching them.

The same goes for why people went for the Q6600 over the E8400 despite all the forum wars about why the latter was a better choice,etc due to single core performance. That did not work out and people seem to have very short memories.

The thing is plenty of lightly threaded games,do well on oldish CPUs anyway. Its a fallacy on tech forums were lightly threaded equals needing mega core performance. Very few games which are lightly threaded need it(some do like WoT). I know because I have not only played them myself but know loads of people who run them,some with 400+ Steam libraries. Many games would not have tens of millions of players if they needed 4.5GHZ G3258 CPUs,5GHZ FX CPUs,etc.

The devs have made many of them run well even on crap hardware since they want the most players,and loads of people run laptops not desktops. Games like LoL,DOTA2,CS:GO,TF2,etc are insanely popular but don't need mega hardware.

Laptops running slower low power CPUs,and IGPs and slower graphics card. Look at discrete cards sales - they are going down year on year. Laptops and tablets and eating into desktop sales. Plus latency testing is starting to show up the issues with dual cores in a number of games too.

Plenty of people would be better served by just upgrading an old Core2,socket 1156 or Phenom II based rig with a new graphics card for such games,which is what I have suggested many times unless they are playing a particularly CPU taxing game.

Things like Mantle and DX12 are reducing single threaded bottlenecks,which by extenstion will make 4 to 8 thread CPUs look better - I suspect the old Core2 quad and Phenom II X4 based rigs might find a new lease of life.

Moving onto newer games,plenty seem to use at least 4 threads. The TH test showed that. The simple addition of HT with the Core i3 made it faster(or as fast) as a massively overclocked G3258(plus the Core i3 had better frametimes),and even the ancient Athlon II X4 750K(from 2012 and has no L3 cache and has been £55 to £60 for years now) was holding up well. The Athlon II X4 750K is not a fast desktop CPU too.
 
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Add some games to the list mate, i have no social life whatsoever. So it will give me something other than spending money to do on the weekend.

Skyrim, vanilla or modded?
Don't own WoW, but can get FF14 to fill the MMO gap? Got 6 months of timecards to use. Though wouldn't be representative as i've only played it <10 hours, so loads of people on screen would be limited to literally the towns.

Will do all the usual synthetic benches, 3D11, Heaven etc.

Skyrim with mods,would a nice test - but OFC list the mods!!:)

For a MMO - SWTOR is free and might do the trick.

GRiD2 has an in-built benchmark tool.

FarCry3 and Metro:Last Light are also worth benchmarking.

Metro:Last Light does have a built-in benchmark too though.

Regarding Crysis3,the most CPU intensive part is "Welcome to the Jungle" in the SP campaign. Crysis3 MP is also quite taxing too.

You also have The Witcher 2 which was known to be quite taxing on CPUs too.
 
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Skyrim with mods,would a nice test - but OFC list the mods!!:)

For a MMO - SWTOR is free and might do the trick.

GRiD2 has an in-built benchmark tool.

FarCry3 and Metro:Last Light are also worth benchmarking.

Metro:Last Light does have a built-in benchmark too though.

Regarding Crysis3,the most CPU intensive part is "Welcome to the Jungle" in the SP campaign. Crysis3 MP is also quite taxing too.

You also have The Witcher 2 which was known to be quite taxing on CPUs too.

Can only really use the steamworks for mods, my brother is the skyrim player. He used my account when it first came out till he could afford lol.

Will have to ask him which mods.
Crysis 3 only played online, so will need to actually playthrough the bleeding thing lol.

Was going to use the new grid game as it's, new :) :D
Downloaded about 60gb last night, will screen grab the list later tonight.
 
The problem is that by extension,you might as well forget about the Core i5 4670 or Core i7 4770 non-K,since the G3258 overclocked will get close to those too,or bypass a £127 Core i5 4440.

I don't really see that as a problem, at least not for somebody with limited funds who want's good performance for their money.


None of you believe all the "majority stuff",since all of you use Core i5s and Core i7s.

That's a bit of a leap, personally I bought the 4930K because I wanted it to last a long time, not for my WoW FPS.


The same goes for why people went for the Q6600 over the E8400 despite all the forum wars about why the latter was a better choice,etc due to single core performance. That did not work out and people seem to have very short memories.

A lot of people bring this up but it is a bit misleading. A friend of mine had a E8400 back in the day and I had a Q9650, today my CPU would fare much better than his but both would be bottlenecking a decent GPU, we both traded in for Sandy Bridge before that became an issue though, so while the more threaded CPU lasted longer before upgrading was needed both reached the point where it was advantageous at the same time.


Many games would not have tens of millions of players if they needed 4.5GHZ G3258 CPUs,5GHZ FX CPUs,etc.

I don't think anything NEEDS that, but then nothing NEEDS more than a HD7850 either but it doesn't hurt to exceed recommended specs. I/E WoW would defiantly see a difference between the Pentium at stock and 4.8GHz.
 
Can only really use the steamworks for mods, my brother is the skyrim player. He used my account when it first came out till he could afford lol.

Will have to ask him which mods.
Crysis 3 only played online, so will need to actually playthrough the bleeding thing lol.

Was going to use the new grid game as it's, new :) :D
Downloaded about 60gb last night, will screen grab the list later tonight.

Crysis3 MP is very intensive. I upgraded my Core i3 to a Core i5 due to it!!
 
I don't really see that as a problem, at least not for somebody with limited funds who want's good performance for their money.

Yes,but the whole OMFG AMD looses argument is misleading when more expensive Intel CPUs are also matched or exceeded in certain games too. In the Bit-tech test a Core i7 3770 is acually beaten by the G3258 when overclocked in Rome II. People quietly ignore that.

That's a bit of a leap, personally I bought the 4930K because I wanted it to last a long time, not for my WoW FPS.

Yes,the "most games are using only one thread" and hence the Pentium dual core being the only cheap CPU you should consider argument is not even believed by you,or lots of people on this forums.

Something like a Core i3 will last longer than an overclocked Pentium dual core in many games. The TH review showed that an overclocked Pentium dual core rarely could exceed a Core i3 let alone best its frametimes. Even the FX6300 series which was generally ahead of the SB Core i3 in many newer multi-threaded games,might have a lot of that lead negated by the newer Core i3s. I expect once we get Broadwell Core i3s,it won't be there anymore(or it will be exceeded).

An unlocked Haswell Core i3 would have been an awesome CPU.

What do you think is happening with DX12,Mantle and the move to the PS4 and XBox One being lead platforms in the next 6 to 18 months?

You answered that question yourself by buying a £300+ six core Core i7,which is OTT when most of as try to hedge our bets with £130 to £170 Core i5s.

Look at their own WoW tests with the G3258:

http://media.bestofmicro.com/X/X/440565/original/wow-fr.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/Y/1/440569/original/wow-ftv.png

The Core i3 with a much lower base clockspeed is not slower.


A lot of people bring this up but it is a bit misleading. A friend of mine had a E8400 back in the day and I had a Q9650, today my CPU would fare much better than his but both would be bottlenecking a decent GPU, we both traded in for Sandy Bridge before that became an issue though, so while the more threaded CPU lasted longer before upgrading was needed both reached the point where it was advantageous at the same time.

Not misleading at all. The Q9550 and Q6600 still will do better than CPUs like an E8400 or E7300,where the latter actualy have poor minimums and worse frame latencies in many newer games.

Nearly every single person(plus loads of people I have helped online which probably spans 100s of builds now) who had Core2 quads and Phenom II X4 CPUs,have kept the quad cores longer than the people who had the equivalent generation dual cores.

They survived another round of GPU upgrades,the dual cores tended to have more issues.

I even had overclocked E6300 and Q6600 rigs until a few years ago(the E6300 was actually running at a higher overclock too). I only upgraded since the motherboard on the main rig started having issues.


I don't think anything NEEDS that, but then nothing NEEDS more than a HD7850 either but it doesn't hurt to exceed recommended specs. I/E WoW would defiantly see a difference between the Pentium at stock and 4.8GHz.

What about things like LoL,DOTA2,etc? All run fine on older and less powerful CPUs. I should know because I have played those games and have mates who played them and you get decent framerates. Only hardware forums do you need 5GHZ Pentium dual cores,5GHZ FX CPUs,etc to play such games.

Again lightly threaded does not mean you need the latest and greatest CPU. Just because you get 200FPS with a new fangled CPU against 150FPS with a golden oldie at 1920X1080,means nothing especially with 3rd person perspective games.

Things like WoT are a different kettle of fish and the G3258 will shine for it,but plenty of games are made by devs not to require massive performance.

FFS,many games will run acceptably well on a flipping IGP.

You need to think more as a dev,and less as a hardware enthusiast. Devs either want to push technical boundaries or want to go for the lowest common denominator. The latter sadly means more sales,and this is why you see the PC "stagnating" as people call it.

Once Intel gets Iris Pro MK2 and MK3 down to cheaper CPUs and AMD can actually get stacked DRAM with their APUs,expect more and more people to start using IGPs. Its already happening,discrete card sales are going down year on year,and more and more people are gaming on laptops.
 
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Yes,but the whole OMFG AMD looses argument is misleading when more expensive Intel CPUs are also matched or exceeded in certain games too. In the Bit-tech test a Core i7 3770 is acually beaten by the G3258 when overclocked in Rome II.

It's not misleading, they BOTH lose, the difference makes is the is noting the Pentium does that a K series i5 can't, wheras AMD don't actually have a CPU that can match it in single/dual core performance when over clocked (4.8GHz Haswell is > 5GHz on Piledriver).


Yes,the "most games are using only one thread" and hence the Pentium dual core being the only cheap CPU you should consider argument is not even believed by you,or lots of people on this forums.

Well that's actually the opposite of what I said but /meh.


Something like a Core i3 will last longer than an overclocked Pentium dual core in many games.

It will also cost more too and be outperformed in many games.


An unlocked Haswell Core i3 would have been an awesome CPU.

Agreed, maybe in a few years we can get an anniversary edition Pentium HT :D


Look at their own WoW tests with the G3258:

The Core i3 with a much lower base clockspeed is not slower.

The i5/i3/Pentium (OC) are all GPU limited there.


Not misleading at all. The Q9550 and Q6600 still will do better than CPUs like an E8400 or E7300

Yes but all four will need the settings turned down, the fact the C2Q's lasted longer before requiring an upgrade doesn't change the fact that upgrading has been worth it for all four since Sandy arrived, the benefits of C2Q over C2D are greatly exagerated, anyone still using either is holding out.


Only hardware forums do you need 5GHZ Pentium dual cores,5GHZ FX CPUs,etc to play such games.

You don't need >4GHz to play anything, it's just advantageous as it allows higher settings.


FFS,many games will run acceptably well on a flipping IGP.

Games with very low graphical requirements are also usually not very taxing on the CPU either, If the argument here is that the extra overclocking of the Pentium is mute then a person building a system focusing on those games would be better off saving even more and getting a Celeron...
 
One thing I would like to point out is that the example of Q6600 and E8400 is not a like for like comparison for the current situation.

The Q6600 and E8400 were both priced at around the same price of around £140~ back then, but here what we got is Pentium-K at under £60 vs i3 at £90 vs non-K i5 at £130+ and i5-K at £170+.

As for the Pentium K vs Athlon 750, despite both might be around same price, but the Pentium would be on a better platform with future upgrade path (while the AMD does not), and it would be faster in light-threaded games, and more or less match the 750 in higher threaded games. If people was planning the build for heavy usage and expect it to last for years to come, then those people should be getting the i5 (or i7 even) in the first place; the Pentium K is not for that kind of requirement, being just a budget sub £60 CPU. It's like if you dine at a pub restaurant and paying only £6-£8 for a meal, you know what you are expecting...you can't compare it to quality of restaurant that would cost you £15+. The £6-£8 meal at the pub restaurant might not be high quality, bit it doesn't mean they are not good in terms of standards for the price they are charging.
 
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To celebrate our anniversary, we're lifting our self imposed multiplier lock on our low end cpu and also charging more for it.

Cheers Intel, how gracious of you.
 
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