Poll: Suarez has to be banned for a year at least

The the ban fair?

  • Scouser: Fair

    Votes: 11 3.0%
  • Other: Fair

    Votes: 64 17.4%
  • Scouser: Too lenient

    Votes: 7 1.9%
  • Other: Too lenient

    Votes: 228 62.0%
  • Scouser: Too harsh

    Votes: 13 3.5%
  • Other: Too harsh

    Votes: 22 6.0%
  • manyoo fans: derp

    Votes: 23 6.3%

  • Total voters
    368
But the guy is talking about the bite in isolation of everything else he has done, like this is the first time he has ever done something bad and the only thing he has done bad is 11 years ago and neglect to mention everything else since and until the last match.

Sure, if this is the first time he has done anything or first time since he was 16 then I would say 2 years is a bit OTT but it is not, and we all know that, which is where the stupidity of the article comes from.
 
In every walk of life, at work, in hospitals, in law, in prisons, everywhere I can think of repeated mistakes are punished with increasing severity. A doctor who makes a mistake and kills someone, unfortunately that will happen, but they guy who accidentally kills one patient is treated completely different to the guy who made his 5th mistake killing a patient, you lose your job, maybe even face charges of neglect.

If you get done for assault, the first sentence will be much lighter than you would get for a second, then third, then fourth attack. Kids getting into trouble at school, first thing, maybe a detention, second thing, sent to the headmaster, third, maybe a suspension, 4th, maybe you get expelled. You don't necessarily have to do something worse, but repeated offences are treated worse in effectively every part of life.

Why, because as humans in general we're supposed to learn from mistakes. Football is the same, in every type of rulebook repeated offences are treated worse. First red card for violent conduct is a 3 match ban, second red card for violent conduct is a 4 match ban(which is more likely to be increased further), etc, etc.

What Moses, and lots of other liverpool fans are doing is treating biting, alone, with no connection to his previous offences which is delusional. In every single situation in life a third offence is treated worse than a first offence, but Liverpool fans are making the argument that a bite is less bad than other things. It doesn't matter, because we're talking about a third bite vs a first bad tackle/whatever else.

Fifa have stated the panel reviewing it can take into account his previous actions, hopefully they won't back away from that and be soft on him because he doesn't deserve more chances.

A ban is fundamentally, like any punishment, supposed to teach a player, and others watching, that the behaviour is unacceptable. The fact is a 7 match ban, then a 10 match ban did NOT teach him this lesson.

What other offences you can be banned for and how bad these other offences are completely and utterly irrelevant, Liverpool fans and crap journalists are bringing them up in an attempt to make biting look less bad, while ignoring things like it being his third(with seemingly potentially many more attempted) bite, and ignoring that it proves his conduct has not improved despite constant promises from Suarez that he's better than he was. This bad conduct not only includes biting, but stamping on players frequently, intentionally injuring players and occasionally breaking players legs.

The behaviour that leads to him biting is the same behaviour that leads to him breaking other players legs, Suarez should either be punished until he stops that behaviour and we already know that 10 game ban won't cut it for a fact, or he should be prevented from being on a pitch at all.
 
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With normal tackles, that's often the case. But there often occasions where there's a clear stamp, a clear elbow, a kick like in the first Uruguay game, etc, where the intent is apparent. No one's denying that there are normal challenges which do harm unintentionally, or there's grey area challenges... the point is just there are clearly instances where the intent's apparent, and it's no as uncommon as you're making out.

That sounds like an argument for tougher action on players who cause intentional harm - which would include Suarez - rather than for leniency for Suarez.

There are some forms of violence, such as a leg-breaking tackle, that are punishable within the laws of the game but that are accepted as being within those laws. A bad tackle is still a tackle. Anything that falls outside those laws, such as a bite, is ipso facto worse (from the perspective of the sport) regardless of actual harm done.
 
So I am now hearing any sentence will be appealed meaning he can play on Saturday? This whole saga is becoming a joke.
 
About a 10 game ban seems likely but it'd be more useful as a stamp of authority by FIFA if he got the maximum.

ps..................

[dailymail]It seems to happen when he's frustrated and angry so I hope his wife and kids are safe and child services don't need informing[/dailymail]

Genuine quote from the mighty DM comments section :D
 
So I am now hearing any sentence will be appealed meaning he can play on Saturday? This whole saga is becoming a joke.

That was always going to be the case. Barcelona are banned from making any transfers for a while. Well thats going to put a cramp on their squad rebuild.

Nope, you appeal the decision and with good lawyers they will either get the ban overturned or at least delay it until they have bought all the players they want. These punishments are always pointless .

FFP has been the same. Shocking punishment that is either reduced or the team just does what it needs to in order to minimise the impact.
 
Gotta love students who can sit around all day debating the finer points of biting and it's implications.

Get a job Moses ffs.
 
Valencia will get a 3match ban for that disgusting tackle yesterday. 3 matches....people want Suarez banned for how long??!!

He was sent off for putting his hand on Sterlings throat aswell...both are worse. Put it into context..
 
Valencia will get a 3match ban for that disgusting tackle yesterday. 3 matches....people want Suarez banned for how long??!!

He was sent off for putting his hand on Sterlings throat aswell...both are worse. Put it into context..

He is known as serial nasty player tbh, ban him for life :rolleyes:

Sterling shouldn't fly in to 2 footed tackles in friendlies. He should stick to knocking up birds.
 
Valencia will get a 3match ban for that disgusting tackle yesterday. 3 matches....people want Suarez banned for how long??!!

He was sent off for putting his hand on Sterlings throat aswell...both are worse. Put it into context..

Putting your hand round someone's throat is not worse than biting...

I think although Valencia deserves banned he got unlucky bouncing off the ball and hard to prove he meant to do that, what Sakho and Giroud did were both worse, not Valencia
 
Putting your hand round someone's throat is not worse than biting...

I think although Valencia deserves banned he got unlucky bouncing off the ball and hard to prove he meant to do that, what Sakho and Giroud did were both worse, not Valencia

The old "Man Utd player did worse Guvna" argument.

Pathetic.
 
Valencia will get a 3match ban for that disgusting tackle yesterday. 3 matches....people want Suarez banned for how long??!!

He was sent off for putting his hand on Sterlings throat aswell...both are worse. Put it into context..

Neither were worse, and I love what I've seen in regards to the push on Sterlings through, I've seen someone say he strangled Sterling twice. You put it accurately, he PUT his hand ON Sterling's throat, nothing more. He was pushing him away because he felt like he was being attacked, it's a normal response and I don't care about that in the slightest. If he punched him or tried to hurt him, but pushing an attacker away I consistently say I don't care about.

Valencia made a bad tackle but there was ZERO intent, it was stupid and reckless, not on purpose. By definition trying to hurt someone is worse than accidentally hurting someone.

Attempted murder is a worse crime than accidentally killing someone. Society is judged by intent, Suarez with no provocation tried to hurt someone. Valencia accidentally hurt someone, and pushed someone else away after he was hurt.

Valencia walked off the pitch without complaint and was sorry for what he did on both occasions. Suarez who acted on purpose and with intent, is pretending he did nothing wrong... again. The bite was absolutely worse than both things Valencia did.
 
So I am now hearing any sentence will be appealed meaning he can play on Saturday? This whole saga is becoming a joke.

It's possible, but if Fifa were smart they would give him the standard 3-4 game violent conduct ban which couldn't be appealed, then give him a second extra ban... which could be appealed but appealing that wouldn't change the first ban so he'd definitely miss this world cup, which is absolutely fair for what he did at the very very least.

Ultimately I hope Fifa even if they aren't smart enough to do that, lets say they give him a 10 game ban, if they appeal it they say... while we'll let you appeal we know for a fact this will not be less than a 4 game ban so you will serve that and we'll consider the rest of the games at a later date.

Common sense from a governing body though, who knows.

I take it a ban would be for competitive games and Uruguay couldn't just schedule say 10 extra friendlies for over summer to run down a ban quicker?
 
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