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Of course, as that would also require evidence which doesn't exist.

But it is worth noting that all negative existence claims (of this nature) are meaningless (as to know that you would need to know everything in the universe) - it's a impossibility. What should be taken with a pinch of salt is that this line of reasoning can be used for anything. My lack of belief in the modern Christian god is identical to that of any of the gods of old or in history, the fact one is more popular today doesn't give it any more feasibility (comparatively that is).

The only negative existence claims we can prove are ones of a physical nature within our ability to measure, as most god/gods are proposed to reside in a realm outside of our physical understanding the chance of proving otherwise is zero.

This is also true of claims of existence, for the reasons you propose. (Personally I wouldn't use the definitive 'doesn't exist', rather 'has yet to be demonstrated/discovered")

To all intents and purposes would you agree therefore that the question "Does God exist?" is meaningless?
 
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This is also true of claims of existence, for the reasons you propose. (Personally I wouldn't use the definitive 'doesn't exist', rather 'has yet to be demonstrated/discovered")

To all intents and purposes would you agree therefore that the question "Does God exist?" is meaningless?

Yes when you think about it. We cannot know. Anyone who answers it with yes or no is being intellectually dishonest.
 
Without evidence for green dragons or blue people we can say that they do not exist, until it can be proven that they do. Same goes for god or any metaphysics. It is not required to prove that green dragons or blue people do not exist, that is not the way it works.
 
And why has an atheist do I need to know that?

You don't. It's all just pretentious pseudo intellectual masturbation. Huuur look at me, I'm so enlightened, big words, regurgitating wikipedia, hurf durf durf.

What has all the "debate" achieved in this thread? Not a God damn thing. Except to make people feel a little bit smarter than they think they are. Christ it is boring having to read **** like this. There's a reason /r/atheism was removed from Reddit as a default sub. People can't stand atheists that don't shut the **** up about being atheists. Like vegans. Or people who use Arch linux.
 
Without evidence for green dragons or blue people we can say that they do not exist, until it can be proven that they do. Same goes for god or any metaphysics. It is not required to prove that green dragons or blue people do not exist, that is not the way it works.

Which is an oversimplification of the concept, an often quoted misconception based on the teapot analogy. The fundamental difference is that, like the teapot, both green dragons and blue people are defined within the parameters of our objective perception, the concept (as opposed to any given specificity therein) of God is not...therefore the same is not true of both as you suggest. Any definitive claim as to the existence or non existence of God has equal burden, as each require an attribution of a specific nature with which to define the concept in order to adequately address the question. The problem always arises that by creating that specificity of nature and defining the concept, you also narrow the definition and are only either supporting or opposing that specific interpretation of the term, rather than the objective concept itself. Essentially making either claim subjective and therefore meaningless when asked the question "Does God Exist?"
 
And why has an atheist do I need to know that?

Not everyone is completely convinced as you in being an atheist. Some people are on the fence and they need someone to go through the effort and explain why the religious are wrong. It is also the only way the religious will ever be convinced otherwise, if someone goes through the effort and challenges their opinions.

Even as an atheist i have still learned a lot from him about evolution and why religion is wrong.
 
Not everyone is completely convinced as you in being an atheist. Some people are on the fence and they need someone to go through the effort and explain why the religious are wrong. It is also the only way the religious will ever be convinced otherwise, if someone goes through the effort and challenges their opinions.

Even as an atheist i have still learned a lot from him about evolution and why religion is wrong.

What a load of twaddle!
 
Which is an oversimplification of the concept, an often quoted misconception based on the teapot analogy. The fundamental difference is that, like the teapot, both green dragons and blue people are defined within the parameters of our objective perception, the concept (as opposed to any given specificity therein) of God is not...therefore the same is not true of both as you suggest. Any definitive claim as to the existence or non existence of God has equal burden, as each require an attribution of a specific nature with which to define the concept in order to adequately address the question. The problem always arises that by creating that specificity of nature and defining the concept, you also narrow the definition and are only either supporting or opposing that specific interpretation of the term, rather than the objective concept itself. Essentially making either claim subjective and therefore meaningless when asked the question "Does God Exist?"

God is not defined? We will then use ghosts or something metaphysical that has no physical definition. It is the same argument. Usually the most simplest arguments are the most succinct.
 
God is not defined? We will then use ghosts or something metaphysical that has no physical definition. It is the same argument. Usually the most simplest arguments are the most succinct.

Ghosts by their nature are universally defined. The concept of God is not.

I am not clear on why you mean by physical definition?
 
Elmarko, why do you consider yourself an agnostic atheist rather than simply agnostic?

You reject the principle of god or no god on the basis that there is no proof either way. Is it that you understand that there is no proof of existence of god, equally no proof of the non-existence of god, but you believe there is no god?
 
Ghosts by their nature are universally defined. The concept of God is not.

I am not clear on why you mean by physical definition?

Ghosts are no more defined than god. Yet we do not need to prove they do not exist any more than we do with god. God is defined within the parameters of our objective perception just as much as a blue person or a green dragon.
 
Not everyone is completely convinced as you in being an atheist. Some people are on the fence and they need someone to go through the effort and explain why the religious are wrong. It is also the only way the religious will ever be convinced otherwise, if someone goes through the effort and challenges their opinions.

Even as an atheist i have still learned a lot from him about evolution and why religion is wrong.

He doesn't generally discuss the theology of anything. He is concerned with Creationism being proposed over that of Evolution...creationists != religious.
 
Ghosts are no more defined than god. Yet we do not need to prove they do not exist any more than we do with god. God is defined within the parameters of our objective perception just as much as a blue person or a green dragon.

There is a specific definition of the nature of a Ghost, essentially as an apparition of someone once living who is now dead...this is universally recognised as being the definition of a Ghost. The concept of God is not defined thus, there are a vast array of specific interpretations on the nature of God, but no universally recognised one.

They are not the same, and the concept of a God has no specific universal definition within our objective perception for the simple reason that each of us, whether we believe or not has a subjective interpretation as to the nature of the concept...for example one may attribute the nature of God to be synonymous with that of The Universe, another may attribute an animalistic nature, another may attribute a personal nature, or a pantheon nature, or any number of recognised definitions of the concept which illustrate the lack of an universally defined God with which to adequately answer the question "Does God Exist?"...first you need to define what you mean by the term "God"..then you need to express that objectively.

To date, this has not been done. So while we can adequately address the truth value of the existence of a Green Dragon (a blue person is somewhat nebulous, as simply painting a person blue would prove the existence of such) as we have a broadly universally defined term with which to determine the value of such a statement, we cannot adequately do this for the concept of God, as there are multiples of definitions, some of which are easily dismissed, others are not...while we can assess the truth value of one, we cannot do so for all possible connotations by the simple truth that we do not yet possess the ability or knowledge with which to adequately define the nature of God objectively or universally.
 
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Many simply assume that any god referred to, especially when in the singular, is the Abrahimic God.

Old dude with a big white beard.

[edit]in fact, just think, there was such a huge outcry when madonna had a black Jesus (despite him being from the ME). Imagine the outcry if god was black! We were made in his image after all, and we all came from Africa!

That'd be funny.
 
He doesn't generally discuss the theology of anything. He is concerned with Creationism being proposed over that of Evolution...creationists != religious.

That is correct of his creationist videos, where he specifically states that there are many religious that are not creationists and even many scientists that are religious.

While in other videos he does specifically point out problems with the bible although i have not seen him cover any other religious texts yet and when debating christian's.
 
Many simply assume that any god referred to, especially when in the singular, is the Abrahimic God.

Old dude with a big white beard.

Which in itself is a misconception, as none of the Abrahamic faiths actually define God in such a way, that was simply an expression of Michelangelo's art.

Christianity, Judaism and Islam essentially simply state that God is beyond mortal comprehension, thus there is no objective universal definition.
 
That is correct of his creationist videos, where he specifically states that there are many religious that are not creationists and even many scientists that are religious.

While in other videos he does specifically point out problems with the bible although i have not seen him cover any other religious texts yet and when debating christian's.

There are plenty of problems with various interpretations, translations and transcriptions of Scripture...that doesn't prove nor disprove God, neither does it objectively mean that an atheist perspective has any more truth value than that of any other philosophical world view.
 
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