Rolf Harris arrested on sexual charges

The legal headache of punishing someone for doing something that was accepted at the time it was done. Laws and ethics change a lot over 50 years, would you want people in 50 years time judging you for doing something that you are doing and is accepted now?

That's fair enough but why, like I asked, does it only appear to be a one way street in terms of dishing out lesser punishments but not the more severe that have since been diluted?
 
Call me a rape apologist if you want but as far as i can see he gave some girls hugs and was overly friendly with them (as is his character) which has now traumatised and destroyed their lives so much they couldnt speak about it until decades later after the Saville debacle "moved the goalposts" legally and the norms of celebrity behaviour so to speak on the ethics of this whole area....no doubt selling their shocking abuse stories to the usual gutter press will help them come to terms with it. Not surprised at how gullible and impotent the justice system is with coping with this type of case. Note i'm not defending Rolfy he may or may not be a scum of the earth sexual abuser and rapist but the evidence?
 
You really need to stop brandishing people 'rape apologists', it really doesn't help your arguments (rants).

Blokes delusional.

I've had some fantastic nights in nightclubs kissing total strangers with whom i've not even spoken to.

I've also had my crotch grabbed, backside grabbed and pinched etc by total strangers.

(All of whom have been female thank God)

I must confess that this was in my youth however, not noticed it happening recently.
 
Old men making advances on children or vulnerable adults by abusing their power is not the same thing.
 
Rape apologist spotted. Mods?

The difference between assault and kissing is consent and the fact you are unaware of this speaks volumes. I can't believe how far rape culture has come that you do not understand this.

You have never kissed a total stranger?

I happen to have been with the same woman for 20 years, don't call me a ****ing rapist on a public forum.
 
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Call me a rape apologist if you want but as far as i can see he gave some girls hugs and was overly friendly with them (as is his character) which has now traumatised and destroyed their lives so much they couldnt speak about it until decades later after the Saville .....the evidence?

The news reported after the events, that it wasn't a simple matter of hugs, it was groping by forcibly placing his hands under garments and into the most intimate of areas.
Under clothes groping and intrusion, not wandering hands, they made the points very clear at sentencing.
You may not have heard this part.
 
Blokes delusional.

I've had some fantastic nights in nightclubs kissing total strangers with whom i've not even spoken to.

I've also had my crotch grabbed, backside grabbed and pinched etc by total strangers.

(All of whom have been female thank God)

I must confess that this was in my youth however, not noticed it happening recently.

Middle aged women are the worst for that. If men did that to them on the other hand police would be involved!
 
Did you find out they want to be taken roughly by you, before or after actually taking them roughly and assaulting them?

Edit: realised you just admitted you didn't find any consent. Don't you think just maybe out of these "many women" there was just one who didn't really want you?

I don't know as I wasn't there, I'm just saying because I'm pretty cautious about fondling someone who doesn't want to be fondled with. Probably why I don't get much action.

I understand you say we are just animals at the end of the day, You should look for the female's sign of interest before your sexual advances and not simply poke them and hope they go along.

I've been with the same woman for 20 years, and I am very proud to say I have never cheated. My comment is based on 'thug' type men I have witnessed telling women they are going to shag them up the **** and low and behold next thing you know they are a couple.

I find it rather strange what 'some' women seem to find attractive.
I have witnessed the direct approach work far more often than the polite indirect approach.
 
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The news reported after the events, that it wasn't a simple matter of hugs, it was groping by forcibly placing his hands under garments and into the most intimate of areas.
Under clothes groping and intrusion, not wandering hands, they made the points very clear at sentencing.
You may not have heard this part.

Data! Data! Data! I cannot make bricks without clay!

What do you mean putting hands in intimate areas thats not very clear, what exactly did he do...according to his accusers not what the news says.


You seem to have forgotten that the allegations were made DECADES after the "crimes'" were committed. Secondly unfortunately the only evidence we have is witness statements that are at least 30 years old (the main piece of which is from an estranged lover.....) if thats all it takes to be convicted as a serial child abuser then i reckon Chris Tarrant is in serious trouble.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGxpPVwKHuU
 
Everyone on mid 70s TV looked a little bit shady TBH

That Tarrant video looks very uncomfortable to watch.

However it doesn't mean he's an attacker (hopefully)

The world has totally changed in 40 years and non sexual physical contact was acceptable back then.
 
Not even in 40 years, I'd say 20.

I sat on santa's knee as a child (im 31 now) and there was never any hint of it back then. Fact is 99.99% of people are not interested in children at all, it is just the few cases are more public now.
 
The world has totally changed in 40 years and non sexual physical contact was acceptable back then.

That's quite true, I remember in the 1970's as a child, every old person (they seemed old anyway) such as shop workers used to kiss you and every man would ruffle your hair with their hand and say Hello what's you name?

In these 'modern' times they would be sacked so adults have been taughted to disassociate themselves with children that are not theirs.

When I have been to Eastern countries (but even as far West as Turkey) these things still happen, strangers pick up other people's children and are nice to them and the parents just stand there smiling and gushing like they used to here.
I was in Turkey in a resteraunt recently and the chef came out and stooped down and kissed my very cute 6 year old Persian niece it shocked me but the Persian relatives just smiled proudly which put me at ease.
 
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Fact is 99.99% of people are not interested in children at all, it is just the few cases are more public now.
How do you know this?, I'd like to think the number of people with these horrendous urges are rare but frankly I'd want something concrete to say how often it occurs.
 
Data! Data! Data! I cannot make bricks without clay!

What do you mean putting hands in intimate areas thats not very clear, what exactly did he do...according to his accusers not what the news says.

The Judge said:
The maximum sentence on Count 1 is one of 5 years’ imprisonment, on each of Counts 2-9 it is one of 2 year’s imprisonment, and on each of Counts 10-12 it is one of 10 years’ imprisonment.

With the exception of Counts 10 & 11 the equivalent offences today attract significantly higher maximum sentences. For example on Count 1 the equivalent offence today is sexual assault of a child which carries a maximum of 14 years’ imprisonment and would be likely to involve a starting point of around one year’s imprisonment. On Counts 3,4,5,7,9&12 the equivalent offence today is assault by penetration which carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment and would be likely, to involve a starting point (given the severity of the psychological damage to ‘C’) of around 8 years’ imprisonment on Counts 3,4,5,7, & 9 and a starting point of around 4 years’ imprisonment on Count 12

There's some bricks for you, from the Judge, after the Jury found him guilty, which is how our legal system in this country works.
 
Rape apologist spotted.

hurf calling someone a rape apologist? What are the odds of that!

It was an exclusive club at first, but I fear my membership has been devalued somewhat by everybody else on the forum having gained admittance.

The fact that I now find every hurfdurf post about rape mildy amusing means he's having precisely the opposite effect than he probably wants.
 
Apparently trending on facebook (the right side thing) Vanessa felts was "assaulted" by Harris.. Correct me if I am wrong, why has she just come out with this :s
 
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