Peadophiles in the House of Commons

[Sliver]

Yes, you still haven't provided any evidence at all that backs that up. None. At all.

So you're not going to admit that you masturbate to pornography then ? WE know you do, you're not special but I guess admitting it makes your argument less valid about people who you claim never do it right ? Conversation over. Quid pro quo. If you can't answer an honest question then our discussion is pointless. I'm off for a fap as it's late, I suggest you have at least three to release all that tension you've built up arguing with me.

 

[Tombo]

Apparently the idea was that such images "increased demand for real child porn". So drawn/imaginary images are child porn too.

Funnily enough I think it's reduced actual child pornography in Japan.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

So you're not going to admit that you masturbate to pornography then ? WE know you do, you're not special but I guess admitting it makes your argument less valid about people who you claim never do it right ? Conversation over. Quid pro quo. If you can't answer an honest question then our discussion is pointless. I'm off for a fap as it's late, I suggest you have at least three to release all that tension you've built up arguing with me.

Funny you should use the quid pro quo phrase. It is you that is lacking something in the conversation. Evidence. You were also the first to jump at the chance to try and sound intelligent by telling me I was argumentum ad hominem. Take a look at the last dozen or so posts you have made. Not one takes any form of relevance to the discussion of paedophiles that don't harm. All are off topic and an attempt at evading citation provision. Or flat out attempts to distract and or smear.

What does my sexuality and whether I look at porn have to do with this, exactly? You keep pestering me to answer that question yet still do not provide anything to backup your claims.

All you've done is try to find a way to exit the conversation and you have done so embarrassingly for yourself.

Evidence, Sliver. You have none.

 

[Amp34]

The sexual urge is a basic animal urge present in all of us. We satisfy it either through sex or through masturbation. Please don't insult my intelligence by suggesting that there are people who go through life and never explore their sexuality. You might as well say that Sun Eaters are real and they never eat food. Google Sun Eaters if you don't know what I'm talking about.

So it's a basic instinct that they can't control? Do you advocate the locking up and castrating of all people with instincts he can't control? Do you have problems with those born blind or disabled as well...?

It's an irrational hate speech by someone that appears to read the sun to much... You're basically as bad as the people who tried to string up the paedriactric doctor...

 

[bitslice]

There are those that have the urges but don't diddle and don't look at images.

To me this seems unlikely,
Normal teenagers already go from viewing slightly sexualised images to Transexual clown midget porn, simply because it is there and they can. They might not even be interested but they still go and look.

If a pedophile has urges then I can't see him sitting at home not looking at porn, when he knows there is child porn a click away.

Even if there was such a monastic person, they would surely be an aberration rather than the norm (as far as pedo's go)

 

[Amp34]

It's not a criminal offense to view them. It's a criminal offense to download and share them.



Do you understand the differences between what is real and what is not real?

As we found out in the Rolf Harris case downloading them also means viewing them on a web page, which also means you'd get done for creating images as well.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

To me this seems unlikely,
Normal teenagers already go from viewing slightly sexualised images to Transexual clown midget porn, simply because it is there and they can. They might not even be interested but they still go and look.

If a pedophile has urges then I can't see him sitting at home not looking at porn, when he knows there is child porn a click away.

Even if there was such a monastic person, they would surely be an aberration rather than the norm (as far as pedo's go)

They have the urges, but they recognise the immorality of them and thus consciously do something about it. However there is also the distinction that harming children is still undesirable to them. They don't want to hurt children and they know that enacting their desires would do so, and so they are dissuaded from doing so. Or not, as is the case with so many. Yes, it is a huge conflict to have those desires but ultimately not want to hurt anyone.

Unfortunately, due to the stigma attached it is very difficult to know the true number of non-offending paedophiles. It must be terrifying to have these urges and know that there are little to no places that can help you safely and discreetly. I'm actually going to hazard a guess that there are a lot more non-offending paedophiles than you might think, simply because the only measure we have of all paedophiles is those that do offend.

 

[bitslice]

They have the urges, but they recognise the immorality of them and thus consciously do something about it.

I'm imagine there are a lot that rationalise looking at child porn as not actually abusing anyone as they are physically disconnected, just as teenagers don't really concern themselves with the abuse associated with the hetro porn industry.

I'm actually going to hazard a guess that there are a lot more non-offending paedophiles than you might think, simply because the only measure we have of all paedophiles is those that do offend.

Plus it's somewhat arbitrary anyway, teenagers fapping over eastern block teen porn do not consider themselves paedophiles when the girl is probably 15.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

There's the very distinct difference that those teenagers you are comparing to are not looking at images of abuse, though.

 

[sports_brah]

So your ASSUMPTION, is that some paedophiles masturbate using only their mind and do this their entire life without EVER viewing ANY child porn ? Are you serious ? Please demonstrate to me that this is a fact.

For the record, even though I'm a heterosexual bloke who likes normally aged ladies, I can vouch that you don't need porn.

In fact I'm thoroughly against it. I'm also religious so the obvious way out isn't possible with my girlfriend.


Bearing in mind, there is no social or moral stigma which spurs me on, I think it certainly isn't even that large a leap of faith to assume that some people, upon realisation of their condition, might abstain completely.

Just like I'm sure a few queers still do.

 

[bitslice]

@DJ
I'm still asleep, you'll have to make your point really obvious, sorry.

 

[Efour]

This thread is cool

 

[arknor]

Have you never masturbated without viewing porn? Is this something that is impossible for you? You should seek help. That's not healthy. I feel for you.

why would one masturbate without porn? you bang one out in the work toilets all excited about being caught and the other guy joining in maybe? whatever gets your goat mate

 

[Dj_Jestar]

@DJ
I'm still asleep, you'll have to make your point really obvious, sorry.

Your edit came in after I'd made my reply.

Teenagers that are fapping over mainstream porn are not using images of abuse. They are watching consenting adults do each other, which is a very far cry from kiddy porn. So they don't have the immorality conflict that puts people off kiddy porn. That's the point I was making.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

why would one masturbate without porn?

The reasons are plentiful and obvious. Do you not have the aptitude to work that out for yourself?

you bang one out in the work toilets all excited about being caught and the other guy joining in maybe? whatever gets your goat mate

Try harder, young man. I don't rise that easily.

 

[thep02]

After last night I wish we'd been ruled by Germans for the last 70 years rather than Paedophiles

 

[thep02]

why would one masturbate without porn?

Times have changed, most of my early sock moistening sessions were done without porn.

 

[bitslice]

Teenagers that are fapping over mainstream porn are not using images of abuse. They are watching consenting adults do each other, which is a very far cry from kiddy porn. So they don't have the immorality conflict that puts people off kiddy porn. That's the point I was making.

People participating in porn because of abusive influences in their life and children being unknowingly abused by misuse of their image are two sides of the same coin.
Essentially people are being displayed naked for money, there is no way to separate this from being complicit in their abuse.

Part of rationalising the use of people's image is imagining that they somehow freely consented to this, just like paedophiles imagine that a child really does desire a sexual relationship with them.

 

[Tombo]

To me this seems unlikely,
Normal teenagers already go from viewing slightly sexualised images to Transexual clown midget porn, simply because it is there and they can. They might not even be interested but they still go and look.

If a pedophile has urges then I can't see him sitting at home not looking at porn, when he knows there is child porn a click away.

Even if there was such a monastic person, they would surely be an aberration rather than the norm (as far as pedo's go)

I'm just wondering how easy you think it is to find child porn online, can't say that I've ever stumbled into any on any of the porn sites you'd get from a google search and for obvious reasons I suspect it would be very hard to find.

People participating in porn because of abusive influences in their life and children being unknowingly abused by misuse of their image are two sides of the same coin.
Essentially people are being displayed naked for money, there is no way to separate this from being complicit in their abuse.

Part of rationalising the use of people's image is imagining that they somehow freely consented to this, just like paedophiles imagine that a child really does desire a sexual relationship with them.

And what percentage of mainstream porn do you believe isn't completely consensual?

 

[Haggisman]

People participating in porn because of abusive influences in their life and children being unknowingly abused by misuse of their image are two sides of the same coin.

And what about the people who don't participate in porn because of abuse, but for other reasons?

Or are we going to conveniently forget about them because it creates a flaw in your argument the size of the grand canyon?