Teeth woes

Theophany · 14 Jul 2014 at 09:41

[FnG]magnolia;26602977 said:
Aren't screw in teeth (I forget the proper name) horrendously expensive? Like 'sell your house' expensive?

They can be. The dentist drills down into the jaw to insert a titanium post, to which they will screw on a crown. I can't decide if the cost or the pain is more frightening.

elmarko · 14 Jul 2014 at 09:46

Hikari Kisugi said:
Twaddle.

If you exclude the sugars, then you don't get the decay. It is simple science, if you cut the frequencies down, the bacteria can't work upon the teeth long enough to cause sufficient decalcification to lead to decay.

You might have been fine, and genetics are a factor, but cutting out the sugars removes a preventable disease completely. Gum disease is a completely different matter, and is very genetically based.

If you actaully read what I said you would already know I didn't say it's not worth taking care of your teeth (I explicitly stated otherwise) - just that some problems related to the mouth/teeth are not all avoidable with good dental habit & genetics play a key factor.

Destination · 14 Jul 2014 at 09:48

elmarko said:
If you actaully read what I said you would already know I didn't say it's not worth taking care of your teeth - just that some problems related to the mouth/teeth are not all avoidable with good dental habit.

You said tooth decay has a strong genetic element, it doesn't, it has a strong sugar element.
That was what I was correcting.
Gum disease, however, as I stated has a strong genetic element.

[FnG]magnolia · 14 Jul 2014 at 10:02

Hikari Kisugi said:
When freezing the lower arch, as opposed to the upper arch, the injection is often a block type, so two nerve pathways are knocked out, the tongue and the one supplying the lower lip.
It could be your perception of the salivary build-up, or water from the handpieces. Some people tolerate this much better than others, but a saliva ejection or suction should hold the numb tongue out of the way, and keep the water form building up.

On the upper arch, the injection is usually an infiltration, so only the area concerned is numbed, the roof of the mouth being left functional, so swallow isn't generally affected from a perception point of view.
That might be where the difference is, you feel like drowning, but it is a small amount of water/saliva, but it feels like more due to the numbness.

Thank you, that's very helpful. I tried asking my dentist the same question but was too busy worrying about drowning to make much sense.

XeNoN89 · 14 Jul 2014 at 10:05

Never understood how people let their teeth get bad. I've always for as long as I can remember, even as a young kid, really looked after my teeth. I was always paranoid about them rotting and being removed etc. Still to this day I've never had a filling and my teeth are generally in good condition. Only bit of damage I have is a chip from being punched, but that was repaired years ago

RedvGreen · 14 Jul 2014 at 10:11

I can relate with the OP.

I have what people would class as 'excellent teeth' and a good smile, yet for between 19 - 24 I didn't go to dentist and took bad care of my teeth.

I've got very sharp bits on one side of my canine which I suspect might indicate chips/cavities.
I've got 3 emerged wisdom teeth, - one is heavily corroded, but no pain. 1 is unemerged and is just a little white shard sticking through the gum.

Also due to Bruxism (teeth grinding in sleep) i've got most of my front teeth having miniscule chips/jagged edges that you cannot see until very close up.

I'd wager that I also need about 4-5 fillings in my other teeth, as I can see tiny white pinhead holes in the teeth up close.

Aside from this, pearly white, perfectly straight teeth.

I'm putting off going to dentist as frankly, the level of work I will need will be too expensive for what I can afford. Plus the dentist last time I went (about 6yrs ago now) wanted to remove my wisdom teeth which will require a hospital trip - and I don't like hospitals.

I have no fear of dentists, drills etc, I just hate hospitals and needles into arms/legs (don't mind them in the mouth).

[FnG]magnolia · 14 Jul 2014 at 10:13

Overclockers UK Forums > Life > General Discussion > I HAVE EXCELLENT TEETH, LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE TERRIBLE CONDITION THEY ARE IN

:confused:

ozaudio · 14 Jul 2014 at 10:15

RedvGreen said:
I can relate with the OP.

I have what people would class as 'excellent teeth' and a good smile, yet for between 19 - 24 I didn't go to dentist and took bad care of my teeth.

I've got very sharp bits on one side of my canine which I suspect might indicate chips/cavities.
I've got 3 emerged wisdom teeth, - one is heavily corroded, but no pain. 1 is unemerged and is just a little white shard sticking through the gum.

Also due to Bruxism (teeth grinding in sleep) i've got most of my front teeth having miniscule chips/jagged edges that you cannot see until very close up.

I'd wager that I also need about 4-5 fillings in my other teeth, as I can see tiny white pinhead holes in the teeth up close.

Aside from this, pearly white, perfectly straight teeth.

I'm putting off going to dentist as frankly, the level of work I will need will be too expensive for what I can afford. Plus the dentist last time I went (about 6yrs ago now) wanted to remove my wisdom teeth which will require a hospital trip - and I don't like hospitals.

I have no fear of dentists, drills etc, I just hate hospitals and needles into arms/legs (don't mind them in the mouth).

I think the thought of a needle in your mouth is the scary part , its just a scratch like any other needle. find an nhs dentish and it isn't expensive

http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/AboutNHSservices/dentists/Pages/nhs-dental-charges.aspx

RedvGreen · 14 Jul 2014 at 10:42

[FnG]magnolia;26603322 said:
Overclockers UK Forums > Life > General Discussion > I HAVE EXCELLENT TEETH, LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE TERRIBLE CONDITION THEY ARE IN

Lol, thanks. Superficially excellent then.

Devrij · 14 Jul 2014 at 12:43

agnes said:
Well, just bought this... An expensive start to the day, but I feel the indicator thing will be VERY handy for me. As I genuinely have no idea how hard to brush.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...ve=19450&creativeASIN=B0050AJ3EY&linkCode=as2

Last night, I scrubbed my girlfriends teeth for a second to give her an understanding of how hard I brush... It hurt her and she was shocked that I brush so hard, so much so, I got her to brush my teeth for a second and kept telling her to push harder on the brush just to meet the same as what I do. She was so stunned and then realised why my gums have receded so much.

That's the one I have and it is great. Actually managed to get rid of the brown tar stains on the back of my teeth from when I used to smoke, and which my manual brushing had missed.

elmarko · 14 Jul 2014 at 12:52

Hikari Kisugi said:
You said tooth decay has a strong genetic element, it doesn't, it has a strong sugar element.
That was what I was correcting.
Gum disease, however, as I stated has a strong genetic element.

So all the studies which have linked certain genetic propensities to tooth decay are all wrong?.

The causes, triggers & propensities for tooth decay are more numerous than just sugar.

porushinobu · 14 Jul 2014 at 13:01

Devrij said:
That's the one I have and it is great. Actually managed to get rid of the brown tar stains on the back of my teeth from when I used to smoke, and which my manual brushing had missed.

another +1 I have this too, very good and the little device comes up with a little exclamation mark when you actually brush too hard.

elmarko said:
So all the studies which have linked certain genetic propensities to tooth decay are all wrong?.

The causes, triggers & propensities for tooth decay are more numerous than just sugar.

yes you also have decalcification, lack of nutrientnts and other minerals etc, even an out of balance oral PH level can cause tooth decay

RedvGreen · 14 Jul 2014 at 13:44

I think a fair bit of oral hygiene has areas that still aren't fully understood yet.

There is apparently some correlation between teeth plaque and the same stuff that clogs up in your arteries, preluding a heart attack. Whether it is linked, or just circumstantial (people with bad teeth hygiene probably don't care for themselves and eat lots of crap therefore placing themselves at greater risk of a heart attack...) I'm unsure.

Casdawer · 14 Jul 2014 at 13:45

I was terrible at going to the Dentist so last month I changed my Dentist to the one that is directly opposite to where I work as a constant reminder to go.

Had an intial appointment the other week and I've got tooth decay in one tooth where my previous Dentist didn't fill the gap properly so he's got to replace 2 fillings

Not looking forward to it as I hate drills (mostly the sound!)

I have an electric toothbrush and brush at least once a day and I use mouthwash.

Reeve · 14 Jul 2014 at 13:52

I checked your profile, I was hoping you were 40 something years old, the scary thing is you're 2 years younger than me. I don't always brush twice a day and I eat quite frequently which isn't the best combination. I guess I better step up my game before I end up in the same situation.

I haven't been to the dentists in over 2 years and I'm put off going to see one as I will have to go with a new dentist and I'm not quick to trust people who go messing about in my mouth with needles and drills

RedvGreen · 14 Jul 2014 at 13:53

Casdawer said:
I was terrible at going to the Dentist so last month I changed my Dentist to the one that is directly opposite to where I work as a constant reminder to go.

Had an intial appointment the other week and I've got tooth decay in one tooth where my previous Dentist didn't fill the gap properly so he's got to replace 2 fillings

Not looking forward to it as I hate drills (mostly the sound!)

I have an electric toothbrush and brush at least once a day and I use mouthwash.

I've got the Electric Toothbrush that was linked earlier 5000 Triumph something or other. Floss once a day and use mouthwash once a day. Brush twice a day.
Never used to do all this though.

elmarko said:
So all the studies which have linked certain genetic propensities to tooth decay are all wrong?.

The causes, triggers & propensities for tooth decay are more numerous than just sugar.

I believe the only genetic cause for tooth decay is GERD (Acid reflux). It does horrendous things to people's teeth when the stomach acid reaches them. Sadly, teeth is the last thing they should be worried about as it severely damages the throat and mouth, and godforbid if it gets in the lungs.

porushinobu · 14 Jul 2014 at 14:04

RedvGreen said:
I believe the only genetic cause for tooth decay is GERD (Acid reflux). It does horrendous things to people's teeth when the stomach acid reaches them. Sadly, teeth is the last thing they should be worried about as it severely damages the throat and mouth, and godforbid if it gets in the lungs.

Don't remind me, I have terrible indigestion, need to see the doctor again as it hasn't improved too much

Arsonist · 14 Jul 2014 at 14:14

I've not been to the dentist since I was 17...8 years ago...woops. Would book an appointment now but I'm way too busy these next few weeks

elmarko · 14 Jul 2014 at 14:19

RedvGreen said:
I believe the only genetic cause for tooth decay is GERD (Acid reflux). It does horrendous things to people's teeth when the stomach acid reaches them. Sadly, teeth is the last thing they should be worried about as it severely damages the throat and mouth, and godforbid if it gets in the lungs.

Well, we have acid related tooth decay, varying difference thickness of enamel, the predisposition to bruxism (tooth grinding) etc.

Mr Badger · 14 Jul 2014 at 15:26

I can think of about 6 different blokes (one I worked with, a few I knew socially and two of them are pub landlords) that have literally let their teeth rot away. I can understand someone losing teeth to an accident or assault, or the sort of disease and decay that people can get (usually later in life) even if they have taken some care of their teeth. But being able to literally let your teeth turn brown, then black, then fall out and not seem to worry about it is something I cannot get my head around.