Windows 9 is actually what Microsoft wants to sell you

Ploppy2k3 · 15 Jul 2014 at 13:35

OspreyO said:
Compared to what?

not compared to anything. its £199 at full retail so when you boil the TCO down over 3 years it costs next to nothing.

spoffle · 15 Jul 2014 at 13:41

Ploppy2k3 said:
not compared to anything. its £199 at full retail so when you boil the TCO down over 3 years it costs next to nothing.

Except that it doesn't, if you had the option of spreading the payment out that thinly, then sure it'd be a valid claim, but you don't.

KIA · 15 Jul 2014 at 13:43

darth.mader said:
That is too much. Hope MS bring Wins 9 to half that price or cheaper?

£100 for Windows 9 Pro (digital version direct from MS) would be a nice target to aim for. They really need to stop ripping people off and get with the times.

OspreyO · 15 Jul 2014 at 13:53

spoffle said:
Changes to UAC weren't a fundamental part of the OS, it could have been as easily implemented with Vista.

Drivers are down to the manufacturers who produce them.

The hardware spec didn't go down, the base line of hardware went up between the release of Vista and 7, thus giving the impression that 7 flew compared to Vista.

I'm not saying there wasn't a difference, the were differences that were definitely for the better, but being able to make improvements doesn't mean it's awful.

As I said, there are more differences between 7 and 8 than there are between Vista and 7. Neither has a baring on what's better or worse than the other.

On the same low end hardware Vista is slow and XP/7/8 are fine. Ditto the UAC. Thats what consumers/corporates have and thus experience.

That said Vista can now be picked up very cheap. Even so W8 is priced out of the stratosphere.

Ploppy2k3 · 15 Jul 2014 at 13:56

sorry but I just dont see the problem, sure it costs a couple of hundred quid (less if you get it from anyone else the M$ Direct) but when you consider that you get an OS plus updates for what... 7 years in total before it goes beyond extended support its still good overall value for money.

If it were cheaper would more people adopt it? i doubt it as the moaners and groaners eventually adopt it anyway. So from a M$ perspective its about right on pricing. If I recall you could get Win8 really cheap at launch as well.

OspreyO · 15 Jul 2014 at 13:58

I reckon if you did a survey of the early adopters many picked it up at the cheap price. Few bought it full price.

spoffle · 15 Jul 2014 at 14:01

OspreyO said:
On the same low end hardware Vista is slow and XP/7/8 are fine. Ditto the UAC. Thats what consumers/corporates have and thus experience.

That said Vista can now be picked up very cheap. Even so W8 is priced out of the stratosphere.

Yet I experienced it very differently. I never had any issues with Vista, and by the time 7 rolled around, the performance was the same, I just preferred the extra flexibility in the user interface, which is why I moved up to 7.

Ploppy2k3 · 15 Jul 2014 at 14:05

OspreyO said:
I reckon if you did a survey of the early adopters many picked it up at the cheap price. Few bought it full price.

not arguing that point

I honestly reckon most were early birds then a lull for a while and then the OEM's bumped it backup.

Yet I experienced it very differently. I never had any issues with Vista, and by the time 7 rolled around, the performance was the same, I just preferred the extra flexibility in the user interface, which is why I moved up to 7.

Funnily enough I could never face reinstalling my machine to try Vista and just when I though, "sod it lets do it" 7 was released so I went straight to it and completely missed Vista. Not consciously but really be accident.

OspreyO · 15 Jul 2014 at 14:15

spoffle said:
Yet I experienced it very differently. I never had any issues with Vista, and by the time 7 rolled around, the performance was the same, I just preferred the extra flexibility in the user interface, which is why I moved up to 7.

You probably weren't running it the typical housewife, office drone spec.

OspreyO · 15 Jul 2014 at 14:48

Ploppy2k3 said:
not arguing that point I honestly reckon most were early birds then a lull for a while and then the OEM's bumped it backup.

I think MS missed a real sales opportunity. Sell it cheap and with a optional metro switch/config and they've have shifted huge numbers to the new OS. Then sponsor some killer Apps for Metro, it would have made a huge difference.

Ploppy2k3 said:
Funnily enough I could never face reinstalling my machine to try Vista and just when I though, "sod it lets do it" 7 was released so I went straight to it and completely missed Vista. Not consciously but really be accident.

Vista I've never seen in the workplace. I've mainly seen it on machines people give me to fix. It came on both our laptops at home. I switched back to it to upgrade to W8. It hadn't improved with age.

spoffle · 15 Jul 2014 at 14:51

OspreyO said:
You probably weren't running it the typical housewife, office drone spec.

Hence my point about OEMs installing it on to hardware unsuitable.

Elevon · 15 Jul 2014 at 15:13

OspreyO said:
I reckon if you did a survey of the early adopters many picked it up at the cheap price. Few bought it full price.

We all have our reasons,I have always upgraded when a new OS is released.
Curiosity and something new to play with.

Win8 was probably the only OS I got real cheap,I payed full price on my previous Operating Systems except Win7 which I got with my laptop purchase.

I'll probably get Win9 right away but like any consumer will be looking out for good cheap deals with any new product.

Elevon · 15 Jul 2014 at 15:18

OspreyO said:
Vista I've never seen in the workplace. I've mainly seen it on machines people give me to fix. It came on both our laptops at home. I switched back to it to upgrade to W8. It hadn't improved with age.

I've seen Vista even now in a few places ie colleges,Job centre even hospitals to name a few,just got to keep your eyes peeled

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OspreyO · 15 Jul 2014 at 15:42

spoffle said:
Hence my point about OEMs installing it on to hardware unsuitable.

Its hardware that far in excess that its minimum spec.

As W7/8 have shown. Theres nothing wrong with spec with a different OS.

Ploppy2k3 · 15 Jul 2014 at 15:51

Elevon said:
I've seen Vista even now in a few places ie colleges,Job centre even hospitals to name a few,just got to keep your eyes peeled .

+1 its in a lot of public sector environments for sure. And like OspreyO says, it does have a habit of turning up on dead, buggered laptops that people hand you. :mad:

Elevon · 15 Jul 2014 at 15:59

spoffle said:
Yet I experienced it very differently. I never had any issues with Vista, and by the time 7 rolled around, the performance was the same, I just preferred the extra flexibility in the user interface, which is why I moved up to 7.

I never had any issues with Vista either and could not understand all the FUD,I always wondered what am I doing right lol?...I moved to Win7 due to new hardware pre-installed with it and curiosity.

russell664 · 15 Jul 2014 at 16:13

Elevon said:
To be fair I think its more FUD by users then a big boo boo,I've used both from the very early days and they were ok at the very least,far from what some users make out,ie they like to make a mountain out of a very small mole hill.

I bet some users will do the same to Win9,they do like to make something major out of something trivial.

I know where your coming from, people don't like change and when they are used to a particular environment they don't want it to change. But when an new OS comes out, and they end up having it they complain about they this, that and whatever else is different etc...

Personally I like change, I find it exciting, I like to look at the new things you can do, and learn from them. I'm sure many of you guys here are the same when it comes to trying out new releases.

OspreyO · 15 Jul 2014 at 17:18

Ploppy2k3 said:
+1 its in a lot of public sector environments for sure. And like OspreyO says, it does have a habit of turning up on dead, buggered laptops that people hand you.

I've actually never seen it in the public sector either. (I'm not in the UK though) Where I have been they usually have XP/W7 and generally a locked down corporate desktop image. They don't use the OS that came with the machine. Public agencies though might have local IT suppliers/support.

I really only see Vista on consumer machines, friends, family etc.

russell664 said:
I know where your coming from, people don't like change and when they are used to a particular environment they don't want it to change. But when an new OS comes out, and they end up having it they complain about they this, that and whatever else is different etc... .

I dunno, if I have an old machine I'd choose XP or W8 over Vista. Its noticeably faster.

russell664 said:
Personally I like change, I find it exciting, I like to look at the new things you can do, and learn from them. I'm sure many of you guys here are the same when it comes to trying out new releases

.. and people on here are unlikely to be using on older slower hardware. They'd also be optimising the OS to how they like.

OspreyO · 15 Jul 2014 at 17:23

Ploppy2k3 said:
it would seem that despite the overall progress made with win 8 the public and more importantly businesses will not adopt it as M$ intended due to its UI flaws for keyboard and mouse users.

Therefore rather like Windows ME M$ would rather go to Windows 9 and sweep Windows 8 under the carpet.

I can see what they are doing and as long as they don't drag their heels too much in the release of Windows 9 it will probably work. The danger for M$ is if they release another OS that the world at large considers to be a dud. The previous Vista cockup gave Windows XP an extraordinary lease of life that M$ could have done without and now they find themselves in the same boat with Windows 7.

only time will tall.

I think they've really poorly marketed Windows 8/8.1

I don't understand how their own user acceptance testing and market research got it so wrong.

smogsy · 15 Jul 2014 at 18:03

Strife212 said:
Hardly anyone likes windows 8, they are ditching metro in 9 which makes defenders of it seem ridiculous.

i love love love Windows 8. don't like using Windows 7 now...

Also i don't uise Metro that much, maybe once every 3 months