Windows 9 is actually what Microsoft wants to sell you

spoffle · 15 Jul 2014 at 18:19

Strife212 said:
Hardly anyone likes windows 8, they are ditching metro in 9 which makes defenders of it seem ridiculous.

This isn't true at all. I know plenty of people that like Windows 8, I am one of them. There is also no chance that they are ditching the modern UI (it's not Metro) at all. With how many hybrid computers that are coming out with touch and keyboard/touchpad inputs, there needs to be something like the Modern UI still available.

I like and enjoy using the modern UI on any of my PCs, and it's even nice with a touch screen. I really don't get why people get so butthurt about the Modern UI to the point where just seeing it now and again bothers them so deeply that they feel like they have to never ever see it.

FoxEye · 15 Jul 2014 at 18:21

russell664 said:
I know where your coming from, people don't like change and when they are used to a particular environment they don't want it to change.

Maybe true, but let's not forget this is not a free product we're talking about. People are going to want something for that money. A reason to upgrade.

The change you talk about is a reason not to upgrade, for some. So you are already starting with a prejudice against upgrading

Then what compelling reason do you have for your average user to upgrade, if they already have Win7?

/tumbleweed

At a price of £149/£199, minor improvements/small evolutions do *not* cut it. If you want to do that, release your OS at £30 like Apple do.

Even then many will look at Win7 and say "it does everything I want it to, what am I spending my money on?" Win7 is not a bad OS, as we all know.

Infidelus · 15 Jul 2014 at 18:27

OspreyO said:
I've actually never seen it in the public sector either. (I'm not in the UK though) Where I have been they usually have XP/W7 and generally a locked down corporate desktop image. They don't use the OS that came with the machine. Public agencies though might have local IT suppliers/support.

I really only see Vista on consumer machines, friends, family etc.

Having worked at a few MoD sites, it's XP all the way until they finish rolling out Windows 7 (which they're apparently having trouble doing).

I have personally issued Vista laptops on a MoD site, but they were standalone machines purely for military students to assist them with their training.

Elevon · 15 Jul 2014 at 18:30

FoxEye said:
Maybe true, but let's not forget this is not a free product we're talking about. People are going to want something for that money. A reason to upgrade.

The change you talk about is a reason not to upgrade, for some. So you are already starting with a prejudice against upgrading

Then what compelling reason do you have for your average user to upgrade, if they already have Win7?

/tumbleweed

At a price of £149/£199, minor improvements/small evolutions do *not* cut it. If you want to do that, release your OS at £30 like Apple do.

Even then many will look at Win7 and say "it does everything I want it to, what am I spending my money on?" Win7 is not a bad OS, as we all know.

I could say same thing for a lot of XP users that still don't want to use Win7 or Win8,I could also say Vista SP2 to Win7 was not a big step only small,at least Win7 to Win8 was more of a major upgrade.

Bottom line Win8 at the time of release was/is the best valued OS you could ever buy,don't know any other Windows OS that was 15 or 25 quid, not even Win7.

End of the day you always get some that won't upgrade regardless of the OS in question.

£149/£199 pricing is high as well even now it's cheaper then that.

Glaucus · 15 Jul 2014 at 18:38

Yep pro OEM (which is retail - another blunder, as people didn't and still don't know the licensing was changed to virtually retail license and retail dropped) is like £110. And normal version £75

I still can't fathom why people dislike metro at home. It's a god send for casual computing. Use it every day on any device. No more loading websites for email, weather etc. Far better for Netflix, youtube etc. And some great apps like package tracker.

Everyone I've shown how to use it, likes it within a few weeks. Due to the simplicity of it. The email app wins most people over compared to opening up and manually checking a website. Obviously those running outlook/thunderbird are different, but that's a few small percentage of home users.

Ms could have eased a lot of issue, by having a decent tutorial, unlike the piece of rubbish they included.

spoffle · 15 Jul 2014 at 18:40

I believe the lack of a real tutorial to be the number one reason people don't like the Modern UI, because they literally have no idea how to do everything they want or need.

The 8.0 Modern UI tutorial was awful, the 8.1 tutorial is better, but not much.

Elevon · 15 Jul 2014 at 18:47

spoffle said:
I believe the lack of a real tutorial to be the number one reason people don't like the Modern UI, because they literally have no idea how to do everything they want or need.

The 8.0 Modern UI tutorial was awful, the 8.1 tutorial is better, but not much.

I remember the old days where you got an OS manual,hehe still got my DOS manual and that is huge.

spoffle · 15 Jul 2014 at 18:49

Elevon said:
I remember the old days where you got an OS manual,hehe still got my DOS manual and that is huge.

Woden · 15 Jul 2014 at 18:55

I have the Asus Transformer, a 10" hybrid running Windows 8. It is absolutely perfect. Metro for most things, desktop for work. You can't beat that.

Windows 8 on my desktop is awesome too. Live tiles tell me everything I need to know at the push of a button.

OspreyO · 15 Jul 2014 at 19:52

spoffle said:
... they literally have no idea how to do everything they want or need. ...

Is that not kinda damning for a consumer OS.

Elevon · 15 Jul 2014 at 20:05

OspreyO said:
Is that not kinda damning for a consumer OS.

Don't take this the wrong way but I could say same thing for their intelligence,any modern Windows is easy to to use without a manual if you are are not lazy and willing to learn,look at me for example I've no PC qualifications or even had PCs at school back in the 70s,my real experience with Microsoft Operating Systems started with DOS in at the deep end (at home on my own)and believe me I soon got to know it pretty well and can even build my own PCs(we all know it's not hard),Windows now bah a ten year can use it,that's the problem I guess a lot of adults still need to be spoon fed even on simple Windows,very sad times indeed.

Last point regardless of OS they all have a learning curve, but you must be willling to learn even if you use Win7 for the first time.

Win9 will be no different ie some new features ,other things moved around etc ..I'm sure I can handle that even in my old 51+ age,if I can why can't they?

spoffle · 15 Jul 2014 at 20:11

OspreyO said:
Is that not kinda damning for a consumer OS.

Yes, hence the back lash.

Elevon said:
Don't take this the wrong way but I could say same thing for their intelligence,any modern Windows is easy to to use without a manual if you are are not lazy and willing to learn,look at me for example I've no PC qualifications or even had PCs at school back in the 70s,my real experience with Microsoft Operating Systems started with DOS in at the deep end (at home on my own)and believe me I soon got to know it pretty well and can even build my own PCs(we all know it's not hard),Windows now bah a ten year can use it,that's the problem I guess a lot of adults still need to be spoon fed even on simple Windows,very sad times indeed.

Last point regardless of OS they all have a learning curve, but you must be willling to learn even if you use Win7 for the first time.

Win9 will be no different ie some new features ,other things moved around etc ..I'm sure I can handle that even in my old 51+ age,if I can why can't they?

The issue with it was that the things like the charms bar weren't explained properly, nor was the new start menu, and the dodgy way they had about accessing it with a mouse, as it was a single pixel in size.

Elevon · 15 Jul 2014 at 20:16

spoffle said:
Yes, hence the back lash.

The issue with it was that the things like the charms bar weren't explained properly, nor was the new start menu, and the dodgy way they had about accessing it with a mouse, as it was a single pixel in size.

Heard of Internet?...You have that now it's not hard to do research or find info on something even for Win8 ,back in my day we had no internet.
Bottom line the info is out there only a few clicks away on the net unless you are lazy.

I know I can find it so why can't they?
Remember beta of Win8 floating about as well that you could download and install?..That's how I got to know Win8 first time.

Btw I can accept a manual would have been useful for those that don't have Internet access,however do people still buy things blindly?...I do research on the net on everything before I decide to buy it.
Did they avoid all the previews of Win8 and reviews,I could go on but I think you see what I'm trying to say...Internet is amazing place full of info.

spoffle · 15 Jul 2014 at 20:34

It's irrelevant, they included new features and a new UI without ant explanation to how it works

Elevon · 15 Jul 2014 at 20:44

spoffle said:
It's irrelevant, they included new features and a new UI without ant explanation to how it works

I did not get a manual for Win7 or even a few other Microsoft Operating Systems I could name not to mention Linux distros ,but it did not stop me from learning and knowing them pretty well.

I did see plenty of preview/reviews of Win7/Win8 etc with the new changes and how it works,Win9 will be no different.

There are always new features in every new Microsoft/Linux OS,UI is always changing nothing new there especially if you go back decades.

V F · 15 Jul 2014 at 21:01

Elevon said:
Heard of Internet?...You have that now it's not hard to do research or find info on something even for Win8 ,back in my day we had no internet.
Bottom line the info is out there only a few clicks away on the net unless you are lazy.

I know I can find it so why can't they?
Remember beta of Win8 floating about as well that you could download and install?..That's how I got to know Win8 first time.

They have internet on every smartphone as well.

Elevon · 15 Jul 2014 at 21:10

V F said:
They have internet on every smartphone as well.

They sure do including my smartphone and tablet

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OspreyO · 15 Jul 2014 at 22:20

Elevon said:
...I can why can't they?

Because they have no desire in learning it. Which is a problem because MS isn't trying to sell this to you. Its trying to sell it to them. The consumers can simply buy something that works for them. Or not buy anything. They really don't care.

Its a common problem, techies only looking at a problem from their perspective. Because they are isolated in their tech bubble.

Phil2008 · 16 Jul 2014 at 23:32

Wizzfizz said:
This.

I only moved to Windows 7 because I had to upgrade, but I wont be moving to win8.1 because of directx 12, as win7 will run all games for a good few yrs yet. .

I only moved to vista from xp because of directx10. Vista was fine with me, I think the main problem was vista never had much of a driver support on launch, so everyone sla**ed it off.. Plus newly directx versions normally grinds games to a holt anyway.

V F · 17 Jul 2014 at 01:54

OspreyO said:
Because they have no desire in learning it. Which is a problem because MS isn't trying to sell this to you. Its trying to sell it to them. The consumers can simply buy something that works for them. Or not buy anything. They really don't care.

Its a common problem, techies only looking at a problem from their perspective. Because they are isolated in their tech bubble.