Voice your opposition to the Israeli actions for the past 65+ years

[Tefal]

. And btw, it was never the case that any faction had used kids for suicide bombing, get your facts straight.

errr what about that 14 year old boy the idf cut the bomb vest off of infront of numerous tv cameras etc when he decided he didn't want to go through with it?

On October 11, a 14-year-old Palestinian boy was arrested by IDF forces. He told the soldiers he was forced to agree to commit a suicide bombing when two terrorists from Fatah's Tanzim faction threatened to murder him by spreading a leaflet accusing him of collaboration unless he agreed. They took pictures of him with a gun and the Qur'an and forced him to write his own will.[25]

and all of these ones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict

On May 22, Iad Ladi, a 14- or 15-year-old Palestinian suicide bomber was arrested at a Huwara checkpoint near Nablus. This was the 14th time during April and May that a Palestinian child was arrested as a bomber or a courier.

14 in one month at one check point there.

 

[zoomee]

I've lost count of the numerous UN sanctions AGAINST Israel. This doesn't include the huge amount of US veto'd resolutions either.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...olations-of-u-n-security-council-resolutions/

If this was any other country - it would have been bombed into oblivion by the US and UK.

Israel do not want peace - they want to do to the palestinians exactly what they've been crying of for years (i.e. annihilation). If they were interested in peace they would not have broken the last ceasefire agreement as many times as this:

http://flotillahyvesarchief.weebly.com/truce-violations-2012-13.html

Then when the palestinians finally snap and start fighting back they cry to the world and make it look like they are the victims.

Cry me a flippin river Israel -

It is a RACIST oppressive state as defined by its own population:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm

 

[Tefal]

then theres

Umm Nidal, who sent three of her sons, including one 17 year old, on suicide attacks, said "I love my children, but as Muslims we pressure ourselves and sacrifice our emotions for the interest of the homeland. The greater interest takes precedence to the personal interest." She was later elected to the Palestinian legislature on the Hamas ticket.

interesting point compared to to freefaller's pointing out the israeli mp talking about killing terrorists mothers.


even amnesty agree

According to Amnesty International, "Palestinian armed groups have repeatedly shown total disregard for the most fundamental human rights, notably the right to life, by deliberately targeting Israeli civilians and by using Palestinian children in armed attacks. "

 

[deuse]

I agree those Hamas suicide attacks are disgusting just as disgusting as the IFD bombing civilians, shooting children in cold blood or using them human shields.
Both governments have committed unjustified crimes but Israel are the ones in power to step back, stop blockades, land grabs, give the right for refugees to return and let U.N peacekeepers in, But under the current regime it won't happen.

Hamas had the chance the other day to stop it all. But no as normal they have to start if off again.

Are you saying .

I'm saying nothing. I'm telling the truth about islamist nut jobs' I Can remember watching a program about
Hamas on the BBC and how they(Hamas) got 10 year old girls to blow themselves up for allah the pedo.

"Hamas Commander Zaher Jabarin: We Teach Our Kids to be Suicide Bombers"

"Becoming a suicide bomber is a sought-after career move, Jabarin claimed. “The Palestinian youngsters, the resistance and Jihad warriors, fight and quarrel over performing a courageous suicide operation,” he said"

What a disgusting thing. I say thing because no one would call him human.

 

[AGD]

except in the Israeli incidents it was used as rapid smoke. in Iraqi it was used as an incendiary weapon.

So do we hold you responsible for the war crime or are you innocent but all the Israelis are guilty barbarians?

'All the Israelis' are not responsible. The government is responsible obviously, just like our government was responsible for the crimes committed in Iraq.

 

[Xordium]

It does, I agree.

No I didn't watch the World Cup..I watch Manchester United and that's it..I don't follow England or International Football, I don't have the time...what ethnic cleansing are we referring to however?

I disagree with that as well...a military base should never take precedence over the people indigenous to the region.

Fair enough you are consistent - more than most!

When I refer to ethnic cleansing I would refer to the treatment of the indigenous people who over the past century have been forcibly moved, suffered mass murder even by biological and chemical weapons, enslavement, and sexual abuse. Added onto that you have the actions of the police against street kids and you have a rather onerous situation.

The obvious pointer towards a corrupt and unethical society is that FIFA were willing to hold a World Cup there.

 

[ak22]

Hamas had the chance the other day to stop it all. But no as normal they have to start if off again.
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Were Hamas spoken to directly? No as Israel refuse to talk to them. Apparently it was not discussed threw official channels. Like is aid if Israel want peace let the U.N in, stop breaking UN resolutions and stop building settlements in the west bank.... They has been many peace talks since Israel always have pre conditions.

 

[Tefal]

heck the palestinians even use children as bombers without thier knowledge

http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/terrorists/palestinians/index.html

OnMarch 16, 2004, Palestinian terrorists associated with Yasser Arafats Fatah group tricked a 12-year-old boy into carrying a large bomb in his school bag into a checkpoint near Nablus. Abdullah Quran's life was saved only because a cell phone rigged to detonate the 13-pound bomb failed to set off the explosive at the checkpoint as it had been designed to do. The border guard heard the cell phone and opened the bag.


The unwitting youngster did not understand that he had been selected to be the youngest suicide bomber nor did he realize that the men who had persuaded him to carry the bomb were planning to kill him. He had been instructed to carry the package, which he believed were car parts, to a woman waiting on the other side of the checkpoint.

After hours of questioning, the child was released when it became clear that he did not know what he was carrying.

 

[Zethor]

Just explain to me what right does these world powers have over granting somebody's land to the Israelis? Because if you can't then everything else you said is effectively irrelevant. Don't say "it's history now", "nothing is ever going to change", "deal with it". Surely if it was your country erased and your people slaughtered you wouldn't be saying these silly things?

The same right that allowed us to take the land from the animals/plants that inhabited it before we did - the right of might. Many of the European countries were reduced to fractions of their former size after WW2 and the slaughter that preceeded it was much worse than what's happening in Gaza. Today, most of these countries make no territorial claims, no threats regarding the land/people they lost decades ago and their closest allies are their former enemies. In other words, they moved on.

Move on to where?

There, if they can. Take the land issues to Israeli courts, to the International Court, live within Israel, by their rules. If they can't, they can go to another country.

No one will help them and injustice is prevailing you expect them to not to fight?

They're not fighting, they're dying.

 

[Tefal]

There, if they can. Take the land issues to Israeli courts, to the International Court, live within Israel, by their rules. If they can't, they can go to another country.

no one else wants them as the last country that offered them refuge they tried to overthrow and take over.

 

[ak22]

live within Israel, by their rules. If they can't, they can go to another country.

Ow the Irony

 

[deuse]

Were Hamas spoken to directly? No as Israel refuse to talk to them. Apparently it was not discussed threw official channels. Like is aid if Israel want peace let the U.N in, stop breaking UN resolutions and stop building settlements in the west bank.... They has been many peace talks since Israel always have pre conditions.

All Hamas has to do is not to do anything. Not even throw a stone.
Then invite other countries to see what's going on, ask for help ECT. Job done.

Israel won't have any reason to fire at Hamas so no killing.

 

[ak22]

All Hamas has to do is not to do anything. Not even throw a stone.
Then invite other countries to see what's going on, ask for help ECT. Job done.

Israel won't have any reason to fire at Hamas so no killing.

Lol I don't think you understand what is happening for past 7 years Gaza has been under Land, Air and Sea blockade... they do nothing they get put in the worlds biggest open air prison.

What about the rest of Palestine? The west bank... settlements still get built, farms uprooted, when they riot they get killed or imprisoned, even though the US and U.N condemn these acts it still happens.

Damn if you do Damn if you don't

 

[scorza]

The Jewish state was created because that's what the world powers decided at the time, the Jews didn't just flock from around the world, randomly placing flags.

Going to have to disagree with myself here, that's precisely what Zionism is and it's been going on since the late 19th century. The world powers, well Britain in particular, spent a lot of time, effort and lives in the early parts of the 20th century trying to stop them coming to Palestine - including rather unsavoury incidents trying to send Jews back to Nazi Germany. The Zionists took Palestine by force, including conducting terrorist attacks against British interests (see King David Hotel bombing). The natural conclusion of uncontrolled immigration is that once a nationality/ethnicity/culture becomes large and powerful enough it will form an independent nation - we'd do well to remember that in modern Britain.

 

[Castiel]

There, if they can. Take the land issues to Israeli courts, to the International Court, live within Israel, by their rules. If they can't, they can go to another country.

So effectively you are saying it is ok to displace an entire people from their own country, blockade them, control all aspects of their lives and society, legislate rules that apply only to them and then when they do go to the courts, the courts (run by the very authority attempting to displace them) find in favour of those taking their homes and lives?

Great...if that's the world you want to live in, basically where the rules are imposed not in the name if fairness and justice, but on strength and aggression..then you and I want different things.

 

[Zethor]

So effectively you are saying it is ok to displace an entire people from their own country, blockade them, control all aspects of their lives and society, legislate rules that apply only to them and then when they do go to the courts, the courts (run by the very authority attempting to displace them) find in favour of those taking their homes and lives?

Great...if that's the world you want to live in, basically where the rules are imposed not in the name if fairness and justice, but on strength and aggression..then you and I want different things.

I don't agree with the actions of Israel from a moral point of view, whether the topic is Gaza, the West Bank or their attitude towards Palestinians.

Injustice exists and sometimes it can be corrected, other times it can't. Between the rule of the fist and the rule of chaos, I prefer the first, even if I firmly believe in fairness and justice.

 

[mejinks]

Well that just goes to show you have no idea what you're talking about then doesn't it.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/israel-gaza-conflict-what-you-need-to-know-1.1919373

Are you always this ignorant? I can assure you that you wouldn't talk to me like that face to face big man.

I asked a simple question and you feel you need to come back with that? You utter ****. You've lost any discussion before its begun.

Anyway, how hard did you have to look to find that totally impartial site lol.

Lets try this

Or maybe lets take a quote from a not quite so high level source like ABC news:

"Tensions were ignited in June when three Israeli teenagers, one with American citizenship and all seminary students, were kidnapped while hitchhiking in the West Bank and killed. They were kidnapped on June 12 and their bodies were discovered June 30. Israel accused Hamas of kidnapping the three teens, which the militant group denied. Within days, Israel arrested more than 300 Palestinians, many of them members of Hamas. At least 10 Palestinians were killed and more than a thousand private homes were raided."

I think you can see you are the one who is talking *******

 

[Castiel]

Injustice exists and sometimes it can be corrected, other times it can't. Between the rule of the fist and the rule of chaos, I prefer the first, even if I firmly believe in fairness and justice.

I would like to see how you would feel, if you were on the end of the rule of the fist....

I find it hypocritical that you object morally to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, yet say that they should just accept it and live with it. The latter seems morally ambiguous at best and at odds with the first statement.

 

[elmarko]

I would like to see how you would feel, if you were on the end of the rule of the fist....

I find it hypocritical that you object morally to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, yet say that they should just accept it and live with it. The latter seems morally ambiguous at best and at odds with the first statement.

Indeed,

It's essentially 'might makes right'.

 

[Xordium]

Indeed,

It's essentially 'might makes right'.

Alternatively you could say it's the lesser of two evils when you consider the actions of all the other countries in the region.