THE ULTIMATE IS COMING - NVIDIA

RichardH754 · 19 Jul 2014 at 12:07

The only problem with the shield is the small screen when playing PC games, its too small.

Martini1991 · 19 Jul 2014 at 12:08

Gregster said:
My Samsung Tab 2 is at work, so I thought I would put Limelight (streaming app) on my phone (HTC One). I eventually got it to work but it couldn't keep up with even the lowest settings and became a stutter fest on the phone.

I also believe that Limelight needs a wireless connection and will not work with mobile data (I tether as I have unlimited data on 3 network), so even if I put it on my Tab at work, it will not work because it isn't running on wireless and is using the mobile data. From my understanding and everyone is welcome to correct me but Shield will allow any type of connection to work.

Maybe I am missing something also?

Shield 2 won't be working better with 3G.
Latency is high on 3G and your upload speed at home won't be fast enough unless you're on some uber connection (I'm on 10mbps upload, and that's blazing fast for household internet in the UK)

Gregster · 19 Jul 2014 at 12:23

I have 20mb upload. That too slow still?

Martini1991 · 19 Jul 2014 at 12:29

Since when did Sky get 20mbps upload! That's blazing.
Virgin's still download heavy (120mbps down, 10mbps upload)
20mbps upload is a lot better, but the onus is still on the 3G having stupid latency, 4G will help.

But what's your 3G's download? As that'll be your limit then if you're uploading 20mbps!

bru · 19 Jul 2014 at 12:33

Its the fibre pro they unlock the up and down load, my self I'm on 40/10, I would go up to the pro for faster speeds but I've just had the deal for the 2TB and agreed to keep the 40/10 for another 12 months @ half price.

Martini1991 · 19 Jul 2014 at 12:36

Don't think I'm applicable yet in my area tbh, but I couldn't give up Virgins download (It'll be 150mbps soon)

Pottsey · 19 Jul 2014 at 12:46

bru said:
Possible a silly question, but when are these Next gen mobile GPU's that have been mentioned going to be available to buy?

If it is guaranteed to be very soon then maybe you have a point, but if it is going to be sometime latter in the year, then you would have just as much luck arguing that the Titan black is crap due to the AMD 390X that will arrive eventually.

Hard to say. I expect a month or two although I could be wrong and it might be 4 months. But if I am not mistaken Tegra K1 isn't due in the UK anytime soon.

bru · 19 Jul 2014 at 12:51

Ok maybe Ive misunderstood then but what is in this black box that Gibbo has in the warehouse then ?

tommybhoy · 19 Jul 2014 at 12:55

Greg, Onlive 3/4G game streaming is still pants that'l give you an idea on latency, it's still not good enough.

Shield mobile streaming is a tick box feature until much faster mobile data arrives, saying that, you won't get a better pick up and play handheld stream experience on Nvidia than shield.

Pottsey · 19 Jul 2014 at 12:55

bru said:
Ok maybe Ive misunderstood then but what is in this black box that Gibbo has in the warehouse then ?

Might be a K1 tablet but if it is I don't see it shipping till August at the earliest and only in tiny numbers. At the price I would rather wait for the next Ipad.

bru · 19 Jul 2014 at 12:59

Pottsey said:
Might be a K1 tablet but if it is I don't see it shipping till August at the earliest and only in tiny numbers. At the price I would rather wait for the next Ipad.

Sorry you don't see it shipping till august, and yet Gibbo has a big box of them in the warehouse, Ok august is only 2 weeks away, but countdown ends in 3 days.

Gregster · 19 Jul 2014 at 13:03

Martini1991 said:
Since when did Sky get 20mbps upload! That's blazing.
Virgin's still download heavy (120mbps down, 10mbps upload)
20mbps upload is a lot better, but the onus is still on the 3G having stupid latency, 4G will help.

But what's your 3G's download? As that'll be your limit then if you're uploading 20mbps!

tommybhoy said:
Greg, Onlive 3/4G game streaming is still pants that'l give you an idea on latency, it's still not good enough.

Shield mobile streaming is a tick box feature until much faster mobile data arrives, saying that, you won't get a better pick up and play handheld stream experience on Nvidia than shield.

My phones speed is 20MB download as well. I can see where you are coming from though and after looking about, it seems common place for this kind of streaming to fail and fail badly, even on the lowest of settings. Something for the future for sure. A shame really, as I was thinking it would be great for nights but not if it is anything like my phone has just shown me

Loxa · 19 Jul 2014 at 13:21

So does anyone know what is going to be revealed?

Gregster · 19 Jul 2014 at 13:34

Thrust4Money said:
So does anyone know what is going to be revealed?

It is the new Shield 2 (what has been discussed the last couple of pages)

bru · 19 Jul 2014 at 13:34

Thrust4Money said:
So does anyone know what is going to be revealed?

Nope we are all guessing as usual...

Rusty0611 · 19 Jul 2014 at 13:46

tommybhoy said:
Greg, Onlive 3/4G game streaming is still pants that'l give you an idea on latency, it's still not good enough.

Shield mobile streaming is a tick box feature until much faster mobile data arrives, saying that, you won't get a better pick up and play handheld stream experience on Nvidia than shield.

4G should be more than fast enough. Even 3G gets up to 5/5MB DL/UL with 80 ish latency where I live.

Orcvader · 19 Jul 2014 at 13:55

Rusty0611 said:
4G should be more than fast enough. Even 3G gets up to 5/5MB DL/UL with 80 ish latency where I live.

Still, latency is still a problem, will 80ms be enough for responsive gaming?

Martini1991 · 19 Jul 2014 at 14:01

Gregster said:
My phones speed is 20MB download as well. I can see where you are coming from though and after looking about, it seems common place for this kind of streaming to fail and fail badly, even on the lowest of settings. Something for the future for sure. A shame really, as I was thinking it would be great for nights but not if it is anything like my phone has just shown me

It'll be the latency then.
20mbps in itself is fine for streaming on a LAN using in home streaming.

tommybhoy · 19 Jul 2014 at 14:18

Rusty0611 said:
4G should be more than fast enough. Even 3G gets up to 5/5MB DL/UL with 80 ish latency where I live.

Should be and actual are two different entities, then add network load to the equation, you can try Onlive for free(it used to give you 5 mins a game title to try it) and find out for yourself.

Latency purely downstream(Shield needs upstream in the equation too) isn't good enough, try a driving game for worst case scenario, fps titles have severe hitching never mind stuttering, it's just not good enough and why it hasn't taken off mainstream imo.

There was a dev conference@Pax with Tom Peterson/OR dev/Planetside dev/Chris Roberts and they all agreed, cloud/streaming is way off due to latency.

Rusty0611 · 19 Jul 2014 at 17:46

tommybhoy said:
Should be and actual are two different entities, then add network load to the equation, you can try Onlive for free(it used to give you 5 mins a game title to try it) and find out for yourself.

Latency purely downstream(Shield needs upstream in the equation too) isn't good enough, try a driving game for worst case scenario, fps titles have severe hitching never mind stuttering, it's just not good enough and why it hasn't taken off mainstream imo.

There was a dev conference@Pax with Tom Peterson/OR dev/Planetside dev/Chris Roberts and they all agreed, cloud/streaming is way off due to latency.

Depends what game you want to play on it really but yeah obviously FPS games isn't really gonna work out in the open.