Voice your opposition to the Israeli actions for the past 65+ years

[jaws104]

Perhaps the loonies in the 50s/60s who kicked the Arabs of their land and created huge refugee populations in adjoining countries could pack their bags, yes. At least back to recognised international frontiers anyway.

Israel never learned to coexist, it was and still is a young country, perhaps one day it may grow up.

Are you referring to the refugee camps in Lebanon/Jordan/Syria? Countries that will not absorb them and leave them to rot in UN Camps?

Jordan who revoked the dual nationality passports of all Palestinians?

Israels neighbors were and still are a horror show when it comes to genuine Palestinian refugees.

 

[gary996]

I support Israel

 

[Tefal]

Jordan who revoked the dual nationality passports of all Palestinians?

well didnt they try to overthrow the king?

 

[Tefal]

If Israel goes back to the correct borders, and allows Palestine to exist as a free state then Hamas probably wouldn't get elected again because people wouldn't be angry anymore.

People fight back when they are angry and oppressed. That is what causes the violence.

yeah people arn't going to forgive all the dead relatives that easy.

 

[arknor]

yeah people arn't going to forgive all the dead relatives that easy.

I'm sure the civilians who live in gaza would if it meant they could live in peace with adequate supplies and constant fresh water and electricity.

people with hard lives just want peace not revenge

 

[AGD]

yeah people arn't going to forgive all the dead relatives that easy.

It won't be easy, but it's a sensible long term plan to end the conflict.

What's your solution? Keep invading Gaza every few years and killing enough women and children to keep the Palestinians subdued?

 

[Noughtboy]

genuinely curious what happens if they give the land back go back to the old borders etc.

but the Palestinians/Hamas aren't happy with that and continue attacks.

what exactly happens then in your world?

I think they tried that in 2005 when the uprooted the settlers out of Gaza leaving behind all the houses, schools etc along with a numerous greenhouses and a thriving agricultural business. Many of the remaining greenhouses left by the Israelis were destroyed and thus the projected income of $30m - $100m never materilased.

I think the dividends paid post Hamas coming into power in 2006 included 2800+ rockets/mortars fired into Israel from Gaza in 2007 and over 3000 in 2008. Nearly 900 were fired in 2009 although half of these were during Operation Cast Lead.The reactionary in me is starting to think that the 2 State solution as proposed by the UN won't work.

 

[bazaarboy]

Would more Israelis being killed make you feel more sympathetic? What is the approximate ratio of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths that you would be more comfortable with? Maybe if the Israelis switched off Iron Dome for you to increase their death toll from the rockets fired at them, it would show their humane side.

I would like to see less people dying, not more.
As a nation Israel should be mindful of their own heritage and suffering, in historical times when they were much weaker and were slaughtered.
It is an international cause for shame for all nations that Israel is getting away with this.
Defend yourselves, fine. There is no need to slaughter so many.

 

["andy"]

"But Hamas are using civilians as human shields" I hear you cry, as if that is justification for what's happening. For a military with supposedly surgical precision, they don't seem to be very precise.

propaganda.

in reality the population density of gazza is so high that its pretty much impossible for Hamas to keep their activities away from civilians

you've also got to think ''wait a minute , why arent the Palestinians turning on Hamas if they are this truly evil group Israelis tell us they are''

and the only answer i can come up with is that they aren't actually as bad as the picture we are being shown...

bully someone into a corner enough and eventually they fight back

 

[HEADRAT]

They need to sort this out, harrowing pictures of a horribly burnt little girl on the BBC news tonight, her mother is dead

It's just futile, they need to sit down and talk this out, this slaughter can't go on.

 

[Noughtboy]

I would like to see less people dying, not more.
As a nation Israel should be mindful of their own heritage and suffering, in historical times when they were much weaker and were slaughtered.
It is an international cause for shame for all nations that Israel is getting away with this.
Defend yourselves, fine. There is no need to slaughter so many.

That is not exactly what you said. You said it is hard to feel sympathy for Israel when the kill radio was 20:1 implying you would only feel sympathetic if more Israelis died to "improve" the kill ratio.

What you and the others are missing is it is precisely because of the Jewish history of suffering and being slaughtered when they were weaker that they are now more mindful of never being in a similar position again and being beholden to some "host" nation for protection.

Why, with their sad history, should they be held to some higher moral standard than some other nations? Just because they have been the punching bag for any dictator or seen as the cause of any natural, economic, or political disasters does not mean they have to continue to roll over.

They now have a homeland that they have turned from little better than desert scrub land into an oasis - a minor miracle - where they produce significantly more agriculturally and economically supporting more people and use less natural resources. They have used this home grown technology for the benefit of the world and their immediate neighbours like Jordan.

They should be applauded not condemned.

 

[Danthus]

They need to sort this out, harrowing pictures of a horribly burnt little girl on the BBC news tonight, her mother is dead

It's just futile, they need to sit down and talk this out, this slaughter can't go on.

I fear it is going to take something utterly abhorrent for either side to even consider talking.

 

["andy"]

very very good watch.

 

[zoomee]

Its funny how most negative talk of Israel gets shot down in 'anti-semitic' flames.
What about this?

Israeli academics say the vilest of things yet no-one bats an eyelid:

Israeli academic: raping Palestinian women would deter attacks

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2014/k...st-twice-otherwise-its-collective-punishment/


Anyways - looks like someone might be waking up!

"There seems to be a strong possibility that international law has been violated, in a manner that could amount to war crimes," Navi Pillay, the UN high commissioner for human rights, said in the debate in Geneva.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/23/israel-may-have-committed-war-crimes-in-gaza-un

Israel may have committed war crimes during Gaza offensive, UN says
UN human rights council debates resolution calling for urgent dispatch of 'independent, international commission of inquiry'

 

[LockyOK]

Suppose that a man leaps out of a burning building and lands on a bystander in the street below. Now, make the burning building be Europe, and the luckless man underneath be the Palestinian Arabs. Is this a historical injustice? Has the man below been made a victim, with infinite cause of complaint and indefinite justification for violent retaliation?

My own reply would be a provisional 'no,' but only on these conditions.

The man leaping from the burning building must still make such restitution as he can to the man who broke his fall, and must not pretend that he never even landed on him. And he must base his case on the singularity and uniqueness of the original leap. It can't, in other words, be 'leap, leap, leap' for four generations and more. The people underneath cannot be expected to tolerate leaping on this scale and of this duration, if you catch my drift.

In Palestine, tread softly, for you tread on their dreams. And do not tell the Palestinians that they were never fallen upon and bruised in the first place. Do not shame yourself with the cheap lie that they were told by their leaders to run away.

Also, stop saying that nobody knew how to cultivate oranges in Jaffa until the Jews showed them how.

The Israelis should offer thanks to the Palestinians and apologise every single day they remain in Palestine, they don't and are only there as a result of terrorism (cf Irgun & Stern).

In time the Palestinian "terrorists" may regain their land from the US sponsored foreign invaders.

 

[jaws104]

Wow a possibility, stop the news. Meanwhile Hamas purposely target civilians on a daily basis, no mention of war crimes from the UN there though.

 

[zoomee]

It won't be long till the americans themselves get fed-up of giving $70billion per annum to help the prop up the Israeli's. When that time comes Israel will only be a former shadow of itself.

Baroness (Jenny) Tonge has this afternoon resigned the Lib Dem whip after coming under intense pressure following the widespread reporting of remarks she made last week declaring that Israel “will reap what they have sown” once the USA gets “sick of giving £70bn a year to Israel to support what I call America’s aircraft carrier in the Middle East”.

 

[zoomee]

Me wonders if Britain is going to jail these extremist child killers when they come back to Britain like the young asian lads going to fight over in syria.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/19/371937/israel-recruits-britons-to-join-gaza-war/

Israel recruits over 100 British teens to join Gaza war

 

[LockyOK]

The Liberal Democrat MP David Ward has been forced by Clegg to offer a "categorical apology" for tweeting on Tuesday:

"The big question is - if I lived in #Gaza would I fire a rocket? - probably yes."

 

[wildman]

They should stop fighting and seek diplomacy. Not just a meretricious effort either with no intent, but a genuine effort at diplomacy where they are willing to compromise in order to get a deal. Something we nearly had under the Clinton administration until Arafat trashed the deal and decided to go back to terrorism.

I'd say that there has been enough concession by palestine already considering how much of thier land has been annexed via Israeli settlements. Israel continue to build in blatant disregard of UN resolutions due to USA vetoes. Israel continue to deny having nuclear capabilites, refuse UN weapons inspections and have undeclared biological and chemical weapon caches.

I can fully see why no one in their sane mind would think they should be making concessions to an israeli regime that is allowed with the blessing of one of the permanent council members to continually flout recognised and legislated resolutions and standards surrounding warfare and conflict in the scale that they are afforded currently.

Their indiscriminate use of incendiary munitions (WP) in built up civilian areas is a recognised violation of article 2.1 and 2.2 of protocol 3 of The 1980 Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons which may be Deemed to be Excessively Injurious or to have Indiscriminate Effects. Yet they have never been brought to task on this and the west continues to turn a blind eye. This cracks me up especially when you see morons like Cameron et al. spouting rhetoric about Putin being an exporter of terrorism by arming russian sepratists, yet are happy to allow Israel to blow the ever loving crap out of civilians and break almost every know protocol of the CCCW............

Yes I can see exactly why palestine should give more concessions to Israel