Voice your opposition to the Israeli actions for the past 65+ years

no more biased than RT , BBC , SKY , CNN or fox though ;)

I'm not quite sure if you are serious there.

As those are all from different political viewpoints, so at least you can make a balanced judgement.

Where all the garbage that keeps getting posted in here is total rubbish.

For example they seem to be pushing that totally falsified video labelled

Video of Israeli sniper killing wounded civilian in Gaza.

Which is clearly fake. Running around talking English, very bad edits, zero blood and poor acting. Pallwood at it's best.

I'm a follower of no religion and if I was to be classified it would be protestant, as that is how I was extremely loosely brought up. So I have no pro Israeli motivation, but all these websites are so clearly biased and are just there to drive up Antisemitism.
 
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I was wondering when the "antisemetic" argument would rebound again. People use that as though it's a trump card - it really has nothing to do with Israelis being Jewish.
 
I was wondering when the "antisemetic" argument would rebound again. People use that as though it's a trump card - it really has nothing to do with Israelis being Jewish.

So what would you say the Islamic viewpoint of the Jews is.

Muslims hate the Jews and the Jews hate Muslims.

Clearly this is not every Muslim and every Jew but the general consensus.

But the same people posting the same garbage propaganda all the time, just drives the sentiments even more. And attempts to draw divides elsewhere.

But that is my view on the subject, other peoples view will probable differ.
 
No, I have yet to see one persons opinion change as a result of the GD discussions. We just basically yell the same points at each other for a thousand posts. It is GD.
 
So what would you say the Islamic viewpoint of the Jews is.

Muslims hate the Jews and the Jews hate Muslims.

Clearly this is not every Muslim and every Jew but the general consensus.

But the same people posting the same garbage propaganda all the time, just drives the sentiments even more. And attempts to draw divides elsewhere.

But that is my view on the subject, other peoples view will probable differ.

You pretty much did the same thing I posted a website link " International Solidarity Movement" to and your respond was

"And another Islam can do no wrong website..."

Then you went on to stating the webstie is "anitSemitic"

As long people generalise and merge religion with political movements or use religion as scape goat, there will always be a misconception of religions and stereotype which causes hatred.
 
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So what would you say the Islamic viewpoint of the Jews is.

Muslims hate the Jews and the Jews hate Muslims.

Clearly this is not every Muslim and every Jew but the general consensus.

But the same people posting the same garbage propaganda all the time, just drives the sentiments even more. And attempts to draw divides elsewhere.

But that is my view on the subject, other peoples view will probable differ.

Most of us aren't Muslims - yet some of us hold anti Israel (not to the people but more political) views - does that mean we hate Jews? Of course not, you can despise a regime in a country without it meaning we care about what religion they are. I care about Israeli people because I feel sorry that they are being tarred with the brush cast by their political/military behaviours, but unfortunately a lot of them seem to act up on it rather than stand defiantly against it. However, I care more about the Palestinians who have been oppressed, decimated and obliterated for decades and never once offered much chance to so much as have an ability to breathe in their own country - and made to be the bigger evil of the 2.
 
So what would you say the Islamic viewpoint of the Jews is.

Muslims hate the Jews and the Jews hate Muslims.

This is far from the case, Muslims in the region hate Israelis, not Jews. It is the media and Israeli supporting govts that would have you believe otherwise.

Sure there are fundamentalists who want every non-muslim dead, but they are far from as common as you would be made to believe. Gaza used to be much like Lebanon, but decades of oppression has driven them to religion, the only constant in their lives. Egypt has become more hardcore Islam for other reasons, but their hatred of Israel does not as a whole extend to the Jewish people worldwide.

I worked for 13 months in Egypt and 9 months in Israel, and the Muslims treated me like a king, also the Coptic Christians. American and British Jews also treated me extremely well, Israelis as a whole treated me like I was a suspect. I visited a few Kibbutz and spoke to people living there and they were sympathetic to the Palestinian plight, but felt that their govt would never treat them like equals so they felt they would always have to live with the fear of terrorism as a result.

Devlish is right, opinions will not be changed by this discussion, only the actions of the rest of the world and the exposure of the truth will change their opinions, and I really believe this time, the truth will come out.

Israel's rhetoric is being exposed.

Something you may not know (and it is not publicised) is that Gaza (even more so the West Bank) is NOT 100% Muslim, and has around 250 thousand Christians. Still think this is Muslims vs Jews?
 
The Middle East has always been a multi religious area, my family used to live in Lebanon and there were Christian, Jews and Muslims (+ others) all sharing a cup of coffee and playing a game of tavli/ ifranjiah (backgammon)) It's not unheard of - it's just as time evolve the West has stuck its nose in and the balance has been unsettled.
 
This is such a valid point. We didn't bomb the crap out of Ireland when the IRA were killing people over here.
Or is that over simplified?

Col. Richard Kemp, one of our war heroes had this to say on that exact question in the Sunday Times.


Palestinian rockets are like the Nazi V1s. Civilian casualties were inevitable then and now

‘The Israelis are doing it all wrong. The RAF didn’t fly off to bomb Belfast in the troubles.” These words from a respected media commentator embody the extraordinary lack of understanding by so many in this country who think the Israelis’ fight with Hamas is like ours with the IRA and can be dealt with in the same way.

Gaza is not Northern Ireland and Hamas is not the IRA. We governed and policed Ulster to wipe out the terrorists. In Gaza the government are the terrorists — designated as such around the world. In 2005 Israel withdrew all its citizens and security forces from Gaza. Since then it has been a separate state — now under the heel of Hamas — at war with Israel and dedicated to the extermination of the Jewish state.

Hamas is a heavily armed militia, fighting from territory it controls. The IRA, for the most part, was more like a highly dangerous criminal gang that could be dealt with by soldiers acting as policemen.

The absence of Israeli forces in Gaza for nine years let Hamas build tunnel networks to smuggle in military materiel, manufacture and store munitions, deploy forces and infiltrate beneath the border to launch attacks against Israel. It also gave Hamas the freedom to prepare formidable defences, the reason why there have been so many casualties since the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) began its ground offensive a week ago.

For a while there were barricaded “no-go” areas in Belfast and Londonderry which, until broken down in 1972, prevented the entry of troops. But the security forces never withdrew from the province and did not need to launch raids from Britain or fight their way back in.

A closer comparison is Britain’s battle with the Nazis’ V rockets. Like Hamas’s rockets, the V1 “doodlebug” was an explosive missile, intended to kill civilians indiscriminately. At the height of the campaign more than 100 V1s a day were fired at the south coast of England, fewer than the average of 130 Hamas rockets fired at Israel in this conflict. Like Hamas’s rockets, V1s regularly sent terrified British civilians racing to the shelters.

And yes, the RAF did bomb the towns that harboured them. In 1943 Bomber Command launched a 600-bomber raid to destroy the assembly shops in Peenemunde and in the first six months of 1944, 2,000 tons of explosives were dropped on launch sites on the French coast.

Hamas cannot defend its rocket sites with ack-ack guns and fighter aircraft. Instead it uses human shields, deliberately locating missiles among the civilian population. This tactic is very familiar to our troops fighting the Taliban in Helmand. I had to order raids into densely packed high-rise apartments in Kabul where terrorist cells were using human shields, including babies.

The presence of civilians at the V1 sites was not a significant consideration for Britain, which had to stop the rockets at any cost: 732 innocent civilians died in the raid on Peenemunde. In different circumstances the Israelis use the most sophisticated and comprehensive means of avoiding civilian casualties yet employed by any army in the world. Multilayer surveillance systems confirm whether there are civilians in the target area; triple-lock authorisation is required for every strike; phone calls, leaflet drops, radio messages and harmless explosive charges warn civilians to leave. Many missions are aborted if civilians remain in a target zone

The tragedy of so many civilian casualties is to a large extent due to Hamas’s policy of compelling men, women and children to stay in the path of danger.

The Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, blamed this use of human shields after 15 people, many of them children, were killed in the shelling of a UN-run school. Hamas hopes this will deter the Israelis from bombing but, with barbaric reasoning, its greater hope is that the attacks will go ahead, killing its own civilians. We have all seen the images of dead babies on Gaza’s mortuary slabs. No amount of protest from Israel about the morality of its armed forces and their adherence to the laws of war can outweigh the influence of these images, used by Hamas supporters to incite mass protest against Israel.

It is a mistake to believe these marches are simply the natural outpouring of support for bleeding and beleaguered Palestinians. The chants of “Jews back to Birkenau” would have had Oswald Moseley bristling with pride.

Humanitarian groups and world leaders, including Nick Clegg condemn the IDF for war crimes and Ban Ki Moon characterised Israeli military operations as an atrocity. This rising condemnation of Israel’s defensive operations — lawful under the Geneva conventions — plays right into Hamas’s hands. It validates their criminal use of human shields and will encourage jihadist groups everywhere to follow suit.
 
So what would you say the Islamic viewpoint of the Jews is.

Muslims hate the Jews and the Jews hate Muslims.

Clearly this is not every Muslim and every Jew but the general consensus.

But the same people posting the same garbage propaganda all the time, just drives the sentiments even more. And attempts to draw divides elsewhere.

But that is my view on the subject, other peoples view will probable differ.

I am against islam and I am against judaism and I am against all religions. I would say i am as impartial as you can get on this issue and even i can see that this is not a justifed conflict. If isreali want to bomb them and murder them, then they should do that, but don't pretend that it is justifed as a matter of defense and then spew propaganda in western media saying how jewish people are under attack from rockets and that is why we bombing. That is such a bias and one sided look at the conflict. I am not saying that hamas is innocent or that they don't need to be stopped, I don't think i have heard anyone say that. It is just that there is better ways to deal with the problem than segregation and mass murder. At this point the isreali have been doing this bombing and segregation and essentially ethnic cleansing for decades, you can't now say that they have no idea why they getting rockets fired at them because they have open doors to peace and are just trying to live a normal life. If they want to take over land and push specific types of people out and bull doze homes they must suffer the consequences of that whatever it may be. Irreali do not have the moral high ground and that is what ****es me off more than the bombing and so on. It is that they pretend like they are the good guys. America was no different going in to iraq and Afghanistan, they even said they were spreading freedom, see how well that worked out. Conflict begets more conflict, what will a 10 year old boy do when his family is killed this month from bombs? he will grow up and join hamas and fire rockets, speak to the people firing rockets at isreal, why are they doing that. Maybe that is the problem that needs solving, they not just firing rockets because they anti-semitic, although that is what isreal would have everyone believe.
 
This whole "Muslims hate Jews/ Jew hate Muslims" is propaganda, look at Palestine before the Balfour delectation Jew and Muslims lived peacefully together.

Jews have been living with Muslims for centuries, and historically they have found a safe haven in the Muslims world look at Morocco for example when Jews & Muslims fought together against the Spanish inquisition, or the crusade.
 
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The Middle East has always been a multi religious area, my family used to live in Lebanon and there were Christian, Jews and Muslims (+ others) all sharing a cup of coffee and playing a game of tavli/ ifranjiah (backgammon)) It's not unheard of - it's just as time evolve the West has stuck its nose in and the balance has been unsettled.

It still happens, but it is far less common, and is almost exclusively down to western busybodies like you say.
 
The Middle East has always been a multi religious area, my family used to live in Lebanon and there were Christian, Jews and Muslims (+ others) all sharing a cup of coffee and playing a game of tavli/ ifranjiah (backgammon)) .


God Willing we can all live in those days again.
 
Wish people would stop caring, both militaristic in intent nations know only war.

We have far greater issues with global policy at the moment, which frankly boils down to all these small and largely benign conflicts.

As such I support no one, as it means death either way and we as much self louted westerners need to stop armchairing everything.
 
Col. Richard Kemp, one of our war heroes had this to say on that exact question in the Sunday Times.

What an utter ****

Classic example of a Soldier that follows orders and believes what he is told and then spews it out like a tape recorder.

Regarding his Pro IDF views Kemp told IDF reporter Barzilai: "People ask me why I have a pro-IDF point of view. I consider myself as having an objective view of what's happening over here. The IDF does not need me to defend them; they have proven it over the years," he said. "It's the dispassionate military perspective that I bring."

If he had any compassion he would have noticed an entire population fighting for it's very lives, but like most soldiers he is programmed to believe Hamas are terrorists like Al Qaeda, not freedom fighters like the ANC.
 
If he had any compassion he would have noticed an entire population fighting for it's very lives, but like most soldiers he is programmed to believe Hamas are terrorists like Al Qaeda, not freedom fighters like the ANC.

Absolutely. That's what makes me so perplexed by supporters of Israel; can't they see the human cost of Israel's agenda?!
 
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