Do you believe in evolution ?
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Ignorance would mean that you are unable to believe in it.
With the concept of god as a whole, I suppose you are right. With each though, you either do or don't believe in them. It's not a claim to knowledge; you might not know if it exists, but you do either believe or not.
With the concept of god as a whole, I suppose you are right. With each though, you either do or don't believe in them. It's not a claim to knowledge; you might not know if it exists, but you do either believe or not.
Am I missing something? Did Sliver say he wouldn't change?
No, you're right I never said I wouldn't change my mind and I have changed it many times throughout my life.
Well now they have heard of it, they will choose to accept their existence or not.
If they've never heard of it, then they can't believe in it. So they don't.
But without the grounding of general relativity, there was not really enough information to make a hypothetical best guess beyond mere possibliity. It's only relatively recently that we started gathering much observational evidence for them.
Until you have sufficient evidence to be convinced either way it remains an open question, at least if you have an open mind.
They might, but you cannot assume that position until they express it
They simply do not know as they have no way to express a position. Again, a presumption is superfluous because you have yet to ask the question.
Being unaware of something doesn't imply an active or passive position on the individual. They may or may not believe...just like they may or may not like clams.
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Open mind yes. However the default position for any claim is to reject it until there is sufficient evidence to believe it. So for black holes, initially people were sceptical about them and didn't think they existed but as the evidence came in for their existence people started to accept that they were a real phenomena.
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Theory of Evolution is pretty sound - until you walk around the town where I live on a weekday lunch time. Most of those haven't evolved at all.
That also disproves God too as he was having a seriously off day if he made any of those 'things' that skulk around all day with the glazed look of a new born baby on their faces when observing the world around them.
Whatever we were evolving towards, the modern social world is un-doing millions of years of that and reverting us right back to where we started. Luckily, some of us can escape this fate!
That also disproves God too as he was having a seriously off day if he made any of those 'things' that skulk around all day with the glazed look of a new born baby on their faces when observing the world around them.
Whatever we were evolving towards, the modern social world is un-doing millions of years of that and reverting us right back to where we started. Luckily, some of us can escape this fate!
It reminds me of the discussion to do with the probability of aliens existing that was had in SC, that in the absence of any information - you cannot calculate the likelihood of a thing existing or not existing, because there is no information, therefore I'm not an A(lienest) because I'm not accepting or rejecting existence either way, nor am I agnostic because there's no data on which to base any agnosticism.. ?
Seems to me that this is your position on god, weirdly it's as I also see it - I've outright rejected any of the "mainstream" ideas on god, in the same way I've rejected any of the supposed UFO encounters or abductions, but the concept of aliens is totally "out there".. as is the question of god..
Weirdly, in studying physics part time I've gone away from the more mainstream atheist viewpoint, to a total "I have no idea anymore"
TL DR I agree, and also share the viewpoint,
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It's like asking 'Do you believe that things change over the course of millions of years'. Erm, yeah? Next.
On the subject of scriptures, no real weight can be given to them as language and dialect has changed so much over human history, they have been translated and transposed so many times through the ages, to the point that any original sentiment can be lost or misconstrued, consciously or not, according to whoever is reproducing the work.
That's a pretty succinct explanation of agnostics, I would only add that some are just too scared to make a decision, and so abstain from having an opinion.
Rolf Harris was a great artist, whats your point?
What a stupid post. If you don't accept that Hitchens was a great intellect and one of our generations most important thinkers then you're in a minority and you're wrong. Bringing out Rolf Harris is a pathetic and failed analogy which just exposes your lack of understanding on the subject.
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Its not stupid at all, what is stupid is insinuating that there is a link between atheism and high intellect. Caravaggio was arguably the finest renaissance artist who ever lived, he was a Catholic, does it therefore stand that all Catholics have a higher artistic skill?
If anything it reinforces the theory, as the religious, the weak and the violent are allowed to reproduce with impunity, due to moral conscience, social security and health care, all human intervention, so natural selection goes right out of the window.
But then you could argue that as we evolved like that, it's part of evolution.
We may well fail as a species because of it, capitalism may self destruct, people will starve and we'll be thrown back to the stone age or worse, have a nuclear war.
The problem humans have as a species is that we can't seem to transcend the bubble that we are in, and religion is certainly not helping in that respect.
Stop making things up troll. Read my posts again I never made the insulation you accuse me of. Pathetic.
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