So... Noah and his Ark...

Talk origins is a great website which rebuts creationist claims with empirically referenced data. There's just about everything on the site that you can freely look up regarding creationist claims. I think they cover every creationist claim out there. Here's what they say about Noah's Flood, commonly known as the vapour canopy argument.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/canopy.html

Obviously, to the empirically minded amongst us this is no surprise, but I'm always bemused that when creationists see this kind of evidence they simply dismiss it.
 
Castiel said:
and not to be taken literally in it's detail.
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But this is the problem, people do.

Just like the man in town today saying how "believing in evolution is a huge leap of faith" and then something about blue and pink fish. I dunno, I didnt hang around I was too busy laughing down the street getting on living life like a normal human being.
 
Can we please stop reffering to this silly rip off story and go by the oriignal Sumerian.........'TALE' and call the due by his real name Zizuidra?

It ssems funny that people didnt read my post explaining all of this-possibly as it was too long:P
 
The bible is MUCH younger than ancient Sumeria, and much of the tales in the bible have been borrowed from More ancient culttures such as BAbylon, Hurrian.Amotire, Hittite, Sumerian and a little Akkadian. Christinaty has its real inception of around 65 ad, whislt Sumerian cantrace theris to ubaid times of around 7000BCE
 
frostdragon said:
Can we please stop reffering to this silly rip off story and go by the oriignal Sumerian.........'TALE' and call the due by his real name Zizuidra?

It ssems funny that people didnt read my post explaining all of this-possibly as it was too long:P
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And the colour combination makes it stupidly hard to read. Put it in a quote if you want it to stand out, rather than changing colour.
 
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Is it me or is Noah the cause of say... the Platypus?
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Castiel said:
It's allegorical, Biblical and Rabbinic symbolism for the offer of Salvation, and not to be taken literally in it's detail.
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Is what is said by every religious person ever when quizzed on the viability of their belief. The earth was a few thousand years old until fossils were discovered, then that "fact" became allegorical.
 
Captain Planet said:
Is what is said by every religious person ever when quizzed on the viability of their belief. The earth was a few thousand years old until fossils were discovered, then that "fact" became allegorical.
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Simply untrue...the young earth hypothesis is relatively new theology. The oldest religion Hinduism for example has a very defined view of the age of the Universe which predates any scientific hypotheses and is consistent with what we know today. Early Christianity also had no specificity regarding a age of the Earth. Early theologians such as Augustine and Origen did not ascribe to a young earth hypothesis, nor did Jewish scholars such as Philo. It is only since the rise of Conservative Evangelism that such young earth opinons have come to the fore...historically they have been very rare and not the belief of Theologians of the respective faiths. Augustine wrote a famous book on the very point that Genesis was allegorical in nature in the 4th Century.
 
frostdragon said:
Can we please stop reffering to this silly rip off story and go by the oriignal Sumerian.........'TALE' and call the due by his real name Zizuidra?

It ssems funny that people didnt read my post explaining all of this-possibly as it was too long:P
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There are flood myths throughout most ancient human societies, Gilgamesh, Noah, Xisuthros, Atra-Hasis (both Sumerian), Manu and so on all relate to a similar myth and this doesn't mean that one is more authentic than the other, it simply means that the myth permeates throughout society in various forms and relates to a shared Antediluvian folklore..given the various localised myths of the Sumerians, it is not unreasonable to see other more extensive myths from other societies particularly ones that have a shared historical framework, such as the Sumerians, Babylonians and by extension the Hittites, Assyrians and Hebrews. There are parallels as you would expect, as well as each retaining a distinct identity of it's own. Even unrelated societies such as the Meso-Americans have Flood Myths.
 
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Lol this thread is crazy

Noah, 8 camel toes, and a lot of time on his hands
Dirty boy! Is all I'm saying

(it is crazy how people take it as literal. More holes in it than a sponge!)
 
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