Ferguson and Michael Brown

DAIR said:
Afraid it seems so.

I don't see why it matters that he's a black person... He's a guy who got shot.. sorry for the families loss but I don't see how attack the police and looting shops lol will make up for this loss!
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Except he never did, the Police Chief himself said on record there was no connection between Brown and the robbery, he was only stopped by the police because he was walking in the street.

http://youtu.be/LiLX0MpzzF4?t=7m29s

balky12 said:
I could be wrong. However I just find it extremely hard a veteran cop of 6 years, with no prior, or even a complaint, woudl do this without a valid reason.

One of the stories I heard is cop sees Michael and friend walking down middle of road, pulls up to them, tells them to get on the pavement, as he drives off he gets word of the robbery on the radio. He identifies these two as possible suspects, swings car round. As he tries to get out Michael slams door in his face and hits him, then runs off. Cop gets out of car, yells freeze. Michael turns round. Then just runs at cop, cop unloads on him.
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Nope, the Police chief admitted there was NO connection between the two events.

http://youtu.be/LiLX0MpzzF4?t=7m29s
 
balky12 said:
I could be wrong. However I just find it extremely hard a veteran cop of 6 years, with no prior, or even a complaint, woudl do this without a valid reason.

One of the stories I heard is cop sees Michael and friend walking down middle of road, pulls up to them, tells them to get on the pavement, as he drives off he gets word of the robbery on the radio. He identifies these two as possible suspects, swings car round. As he tries to get out Michael slams door in his face and hits him, then runs off. Cop gets out of car, yells freeze. Michael turns round. Then just runs at cop, cop unloads on him.
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Do you have a source corroborating that story? Because it sounds awfully ******** to me. Doesn't tie up with any of the witness or official reports.
 
cheesyboy said:
It probably is something no-one should do. Isn't it?
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Yes no one should kill anyone... Regardless of race.

For years the media and people in the public eye tell us that race or creed shouldn't matter... Then something like this happens. And rather than concentrate on what really went down people and the media start throwing the race card around lol.
 
badcompany said:
Wait it's the land of the free?
Oh her there is a greater percentage of the population in jail there than any other country.

Lol
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If I were prejudiced towards people of other racists, I'd say that this was because they were more likely to commit crime because of their races.

As I'm not, there's more than one reason for this. Firstly, these communities were oppressed for centuries, and have not yet recovered (particularly whilst people such as yourself exist); secondly, as a consequence they are still trying to establish themselves on an equal footing to white people; thirdly, if you lived in a black ghetto where money and jobs were scarce, in part as a consequence of discrimination and due to your upbringing, the chance of you committing a crime is higher; fourthly, American police still see in colour. So, these problems are really due to cultural issues (basically stemming back to the extreme racism that has corrupted America for far too long), and because the system has failed them.
 
Whole case is just a distraction from real issues...the events are unfortunate but it does seem that the suspect was no angel, was violent and not only struggled with the cop but then seemingly attempted to bum rush him.... It's being used to stir up tensions in a community and just distracts from real issues.

Unarmed black people being shot... these are outlier events and often not an evil racist cop scenario that some would like to present. As far as things the 'black community' ought to be concerned about this shouldn't rank too highly in comparison to the issues that are really having broad negative effects... absent black fathers, communities where the most prominent male role models are the local gang leaders/drug dealers, glamourisation of violence in hip hop culture, contempt for the law/law enforcement, reliance on welfare/lack of work ethic, lack of encouragement from parents/families when it comes to education - contrast this with poor Asian families and their aspirations for their kids... it's not just 'poverty' or 'racism' those things affect other minority groups too... there are some serious cultural issues in various US 'black communities'.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
There's absolutely no evidence that he ever attacked the officer. The police never claimed that.
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There's also no evidence that he was running away.

cheesyboy said:
Why does it matter? Because it's ok to shoot a surrendering man if you're angry?
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Because he clearly didn't stop when told to by an armed police officer (as you claim he did), instead he decided the best idea would be to attack him in his car.
 
DAIR said:
All I know... Is the footage of him acting aggressively to someone within a shop.

That's all I can comment on what might had happened.
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I provided a news clip of the Police Chief on record stating there was no connection between those. There's also no evidence it even was him on the tape, as if it was him the police would have stated so in confidence.

Haggisman said:
There's also no evidence that he was running away.
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Yet there is that he was some distance away when shot, as no gun shot residue was found on him.

Video on autopsy evidence
http://youtu.be/CnsLv_mrv9g
 
dirtychinchilla said:
American police still see in colour.
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I have always been puzzled by this. Why not see in colour? All about profiling and that includes racial.

Well known that black people in central london commit most knife crime and are far more likely to commit a knife related crime / carry a knife. Random street searches should incorporate a higher % of black people. I see no problem with this. But people will scream racism.
 
balky12 said:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ren-wilson-told-theblazes-dana-loesch-on-air/
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A radio caller claiming to be a friend of the policeman?

Well, I guess we await the official full police version of events with interest.

Haggisman said:
Because he clearly didn't stop when told to by an armed police officer (as you claim he did), instead he decided the best idea would be to attack him in his car.
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But he did stop in the end. And was no longer a threat. And still got shot in the face, with his hands above his head.
 
Haggisman said:
I'm not arguing with that, however other than the fact he was some distance away, that doesn't tell us anything.
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Tells us he wasn't near the officer when shot, so either running away, or was never near him from the beginning. Either case does not warrant him to be shot, as several of those shots were in his arm, before being shot in the head. As shown by the autopsy.

We'll just have to wait for the next federal autopsy as well, but so far things don't look good either way.
 
cheesyboy said:
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Black peoples' evidence is worth less?
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Now now, never said that.

You're questioning the legitimacy of the random caller claiming to be the cops friend and her version.

But you don't question the legitimacy of eye witness reports from people in the same community, in this 'race war'? After the autopsy already disproved a lot of their accusations that Michael was shot in the back running away.
 
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