Motorcyclists Last Seconds Captured On GoPro

I saw this just now.

While it is very sad that this chap lost his life, he was travelling at over 100mph at times during the vid and at the time of the accident as stated elsewhere in this thread, he was at 97mph when the accident happened.

A vehicle that is 24" wide at most travelling at that speed would be hard to see AND appreciate how much time you had before it got to you. I am aware that the driver said they didn't see them but it would have been hard to see them!

The driver shouldn't have pulled out that's for sure but with the bike going that fast things happened faster than they should have. IF the bike had been going 37mph slower, the car might have made the turn or the driver might have had longer to look for the bike.

I don't accept that the bike going 37mph slower wouldn't have had an effect on the outcome.

It would take approx 180 yards to stop from 97mph

It would take approx 80 yards from 60mph

that is a MASSIVE difference in distance.

edit, based on car calculations.
 
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That's the view of the road from Google maps based on the start of the video.

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anticonscience said:
You just know if this was a car driver in a sports car doing 97MPH and hitting someone they would be vilified by everyone for being a reckless idiot traveling at unsafe speeds.
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Ofcourse the biker was at fault too, the disagreement is whether the driver was at fault and if so how much. The courts found the driver guilty so all our opinions are moot really but when has that ever stopped GD.

All the arguements can be made about the speed but it ultimately comes down to the biker shouldn't have been speeding and the driver shouldn't have pulled across. Just a shame that it ended in tragedy.
 
That junction has had numerous accidents, people underestimate the speed people are travelling. If he is local then it is silly to do that kind of speed knowing what is approaching.

Surprised if they don't put a roundabout in as they have with the next junction along.
 
This is why I'll never buy a bike, it's not just your own competency that matters. Both of them were at fault, both the car driver for not seeing the bike and the biker for going that speed. Not sure why everyone's so intent in apportioning blame to a single party.
 
Elixir said:
This is why I'll never buy a bike, it's not just your own competency that matters. Both of them were at fault, both the car driver for not seeing the bike and the biker for going that speed. Not sure why everyone's so intent in apportioning blame to a single party.
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This is my opinion also, and also why I never followed up on CBT with buying a bike. It's bad enough being in a car with all the added protection, but on a bike you're so vulnerable. I appreciate CBT is only up to 125 if I remember rightly? But the point still stands.

Not worth the risk imo.
 
The car driver apparently got the book thrown at them for admitting that they didn't see the motorcyclist nor the Aygo that he overtook earlier in the video. So they assumed they had a fully clear road. That would indicate a lack of awareness, though one can fully understand how quickly, in their view, the motorcyclist may simply have appeared "out of nowhere" given his speed.

I would still apportion the majority of the blame on the motorcyclist. There is absolutely no excuse for speed of that measure on public highways. What if he was flying down there and someone had to make an emergency maneuver? He'd still have ended up in a wreck.

Honestly, any time I see "Think Bike" these days, it just says to me "Always look out for idiots speeding gratuitously and weaving all over the place."
 
Tragic ,

For any non motorists here go and stand at a staggered cross roads on a single lane A road and tell 97 MPH is nothing short of suicide, I know this junction and road and this rider took his life onto his own hands , tragic paying the ultimate price.

We have all turned left or right into a junction or pulled into a lane on a motorway where we have though OMG this guy is bearing down on me at speed - that's because they were and you judged it at the distance he was from you when you mirrored signalled and maneuvered - not his speed.THIS would have BEEN MY DEFENCE AS THE CAR DRIVER .

At 50M per second at 97 MPH I am really surprised the Nazi Stormtroopers ( traffic cops ) charged him ? If they were following protocol then how on earth he was convicted I have no idea , the fact of the death alone will effect him for the rest of his life .

Oh I commute 100 miles everyday by motorcycle in the summer and car in the winter.
 
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McGray said:
I don't think there are 'a lot' of people who purposely pull out into oncoming traffic.
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Whilst I agree, a lot of drivers don't pay anywhere near enough attention to the road. Most of what makes a good driver isn't anything to do with car control but observing and anticipating issues before they develop into something you need to get yourself out of.
 
This New Zealand road safety vid seems appropriate.


Unfortunately people make mistakes on the road. It's how you mitigate to account for those mistakes that makes you a safe or unsafe road user.
 
Bald-Eagle22;26852496[/QUOTE said:
At 50M per second at 97 MPH I am really surprised the Nazi Stormtroopers ( traffic cops ) charged him ? If they were following protocol then how on earth he was convicted I have no idea , the fact of the death alone will effect him for the rest of his life
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Because the car driver admitted that he didn't even see the bike, not that he misjudged it's speed.

bloodiedathame said:
Stereotyping at it's finest.
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The video in the OP is a particularly bad one for Think Bike, the message should never be "watch out for bikers travelling at 100mph."
 
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100m takes 2.3 seconds to cover at 97mph, 3.8 seconds at 60mph

The car cuts across the give way line less than 2.5 seconds before impact (so bike would be approx 100m away), and would have taken more than 1.5 seconds further to clear the carriageway.

Therefore, even at 60mph for the bike, the car would still be in the carriageway. Bike would have been able to avoid the tail of the car, but the car should never have started the manoeuvre - it was simply dangerous
 
BigDannyO said:
Unfortunately people make mistakes on the road. It's how you mitigate to account for those mistakes that makes you a safe or unsafe road user.
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Bang on. People do make mistakes, in fact everyone makes mistakes at some point. That's the whole point of defensive driving, to make sure you anticipate and account for those mistakes.
 
I see no reason why he would insist on riding his bike at that speed anyway. If it wasn't this incident that killed him, it sure as hell would have been another one. I have very little sympathy for people who endanger themselves or others as a result of breaking the law just for the quick thrill of driving fast.

We're all guilty of speeding at some point, but this is excessive. If you have an accident on the road as a result of your own stupid driving you should be forced to pay for it.
 
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