Where do you get this 1.3 seconds from? If the bike was doing the speed limit, he would still have been behind the car he overtook at 1s into the video. Which we shall assume was also doing the speed limit. The Clio executed the manoevre at least 7 seconds before the car that the biker overtook would have reached the point of contact. This is confirmed by the fact the car that the biker overtook was not involved in the incident at all.
Motorcyclists Last Seconds Captured On GoPro
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Where do you get this 1.3 seconds from? If the bike was doing the speed limit, he would still have been behind the car he overtook at 1s into the video. Which we shall assume was also doing the speed limit. The Clio executed the manoevre at least 7 seconds before the car that the biker overtook would have reached the point of contact. This is confirmed by the fact the car that the biker overtook was not involved in the incident at all.
Which is a pointless, if he stayed in bed, then he wouldn't have been there, if he got caught in traffic he wouldn't have been there. So taking it that way is utterly pointless. It's when she starts to take the turning lane. which is when she should be looking for traffic to turn. You then take this time, and then convert 100mph to 60mph the speed limit, this means the difference in closing time is 1.3seconds.
You then take her speed in metres per second and times that by 1.3, to get how far she would have been.
And you come out at she shouldn't have turned regardless. She wouldn't have just made it.
You don't know if the car was doing the speed limit, you don't know if it did emergency braking, or swerving etc. It is very clear from the video she didn't notice and just took the corner. Which is the conclusion police must have come to as well, seeing as they will have done exact calculations, speeds etc.
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And this is what i was trying to say. a lot of things would have been going through the mind of the driver of the clio. The driver will have played the incedent through their head so many times thinking how the hell did that happen.
The Clio driver would have started thinking about taking that manoevre as the biker was overtaking the other car. As far as the clio driver was concerned, they had a 7 second gap to get though the junction. The clio has obviously hugely misjudged the bikers speed, but the point is, had he been doing the speed limit, like you say, the biker would still have been behind the first car he overtook rather than going 40mph faster than it! And the whole incident would have been avoided. The biker has contributed greatly to to his demise.
I dont really agree with that, not all of us bikers are idiots. I have thought for a long time (since passing my Bike test 15 years ago actually) that the CBT element of riding should be mandatory for everyone on the road as part of learning to drive. From just riding a bike your awareness of other road users increases significantly.
I never said all I said 90% (give or take I didn't come to this figure through clinical research just a general assumption based on my 10+ years of driving) and you may fall into that 10%. If everyone was honest we all know bikers ride like idiots and I have to be real I feel more sorry for the Clio driver and both families involved I really find it hard to feel sympathetic towards the biker.
I dont mind really, 20 odd years ago my driving instructor told me the best piece of advice he could give me was to think everyone on the road was a complete idiot and to expect them to do utterly stupid things, turns out he was pretty much bang on.
Wonder how long this thread will go on for too-ing and throw-ing. The court did not base their ruling on hindsight, then based it on facts and statements. Those quoting IF's it really is pointless and irrespective. I'm not standing up for the biker, I too think he sped inappropriately, however based on actual facts and statements the courts served what they thought appropriate to the driver.
I don't agree that 90% of bikers are idiots, I don't think that 90% of drivers are idiots either. You probably don't even notice the more behaved ones. We all remember the bad ones though.
Not really a fair comment. The car driver, if not involved in this accident, could well have ended up cutting in front of someone else at some point in time due to poor observation and judgement of speed.
From reading this thread it does explain when I see people reacting to others the way they do on the road. Too much hatred in here
Personally I think the think statement should read THINK EVERYONE IS AN IDIOT, now that one would potentially save a lot of accidents from happening
I don't agree that 90% of bikers are idiots, I don't think that 90% of drivers are idiots either. You probably don't even notice the more behaved ones. We all remember the bad ones though.
Not really a fair comment. The car driver, if not involved in this accident, could well have ended up cutting in front of someone else at some point in time due to poor observation and judgement of speed.
From reading this thread it does explain when I see people reacting to others the way they do on the road. Too much hatred in here
Personally I think the think statement should read THINK EVERYONE IS AN IDIOT, now that one would potentially save a lot of accidents from happening
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Best post in this thread tbh!
Wonder how long this thread will go on for too-ing and throw-ing. The court did not base their ruling on hindsight, then based it on facts and statements. Those quoting IF's it really is pointless and irrespective. I'm not standing up for the biker, I too think he sped inappropriately, however based on actual facts and statements the courts served what they thought appropriate to the driver.
I don't agree that 90% of bikers are idiots, I don't think that 90% of drivers are idiots either. You probably don't even notice the more behaved ones. We all remember the bad ones though.
Not really a fair comment. The car driver, if not involved in this accident, could well have ended up cutting in front of someone else at some point in time due to poor observation and judgement of speed.
From reading this thread it does explain when I see people reacting to others the way they do on the road. Too much hatred in here
Personally I think the think statement should read THINK EVERYONE IS AN IDIOT, now that one would potentially save a lot of accidents from happening
On the other side of the coin though, if the motorcyclist wasn't overtaking everyone doing the speed limit before he even got onto the road where he crashed, he'd have not even encountered the car that ended his life. There is no excuse for doing 97mph down a road, especially on a motorbike. What do people genuinely expect to happen to someone if they hit anything at that speed with the level of protection a bike offers?
Like I said before pointing out the IFs is irrespective. I didn't condone the riders actions at all either. His poor judgement / road reading skills combined with excessive speed resulted in him losing his life but only because another road user used poor judgement and observation skills. So it isn't really the other side of the coin.
Hindsight is an amazing thing, one that wouldn't have been focused on in the courts. You cannot focus on those IFs though, only the facts presented to the police / court.
Hindsight is an amazing thing, one that wouldn't have been focused on in the courts. You cannot focus on those IFs though, only the facts presented to the police / court.
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Regardless of the speed of the motorcycle (which let's face it was too fast), the driver of the car was clearly in the wrong, and even admitted to police that he didn't see the motorcycle or the car behind the motorcycle.
So he/she failed to see not one but two vehicles.
Had something similar happen to me on the B1108 except I was going slightly less than 60mph Women in a red Kia Rio didn't look and assumed it was safe to pull out. Actually a car a head of her pulled out first cutting things very close then she pulled out. Plenty of witnesses there thankfully, but the bike was a write off.
Had another incident on the same road this time I was doing about 40 (NSL road) and an elderly woman pulled into the middle of the road saw me, then tried to reverse and ended up blocking both lanes. There was no accident, but god knows what the hell she was thinking.
So he/she failed to see not one but two vehicles.
Had something similar happen to me on the B1108 except I was going slightly less than 60mph Women in a red Kia Rio didn't look and assumed it was safe to pull out. Actually a car a head of her pulled out first cutting things very close then she pulled out. Plenty of witnesses there thankfully, but the bike was a write off.
Had another incident on the same road this time I was doing about 40 (NSL road) and an elderly woman pulled into the middle of the road saw me, then tried to reverse and ended up blocking both lanes. There was no accident, but god knows what the hell she was thinking.
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where is this confirmed ? i was under the impression it also hit the car that pulled out
Harsh as it may be I've got no sympathy for the motorcyclist. If you choose to drive recklessly on the public roads you take your chances, I'm sure he knew that.
If anybody deserves sympathy it's the driver of the car that will be scarred with the incident for life.
If anybody deserves sympathy it's the driver of the car that will be scarred with the incident for life.
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and hopefully the incompetent **** will book themselves in to Specsavers as soon as possible.