144Hz IPS-type Panels Finally On Their Way! 1440p as Well!

malachi said:
So, is there any point buying a new monitor now or is it best to wait till the end of the year? All these new monitors popping up with different specs is confusing me :(
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After a very stagnant few years, the monitor scene is finally taking off it would seem. I would say unless you have a really pressing need to get a new monitor now, wait a few more months as there will be much better options around.
All this TN only nonsense has been ridiculous.
 
Any idea what the response time is

i look forward to a good gaming monitor with his panel

but now i got the swift i wont be as excited for it but will probably still get it day one if its better for gaming
 
Dunno why this is being spun as IPS or IPS type. AHVA (or AMVA) are most definitely not IPS. If they were IPS or IPS-like then we wouldn't be seeing them at 144hz. IMO they're considerably superior to IPS .. best case in terms of response times (which no doubt won't be reached for a while) is far better, no 'IPS glow' and blacks / contrast ratio are immensely better.

Anyway, good news. Hopefully IPS can die now in the mainstream and gaming segments.
 
Sem said:
Any idea what the response time is
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my guess is - a bit faster than the Eizo 120/240hz VA (Sharp made) panel, but not quite as fast as their own 120/144hz TN panels (AUO make virtually all the panels for 120-144hz gaming monitors). Input lag will probably be very low.
 
You're getting confused there with AMVA which I agree is totally different. AHVA is AU Optronics' version of IPS, just like Samsung also make PLS as an alternative. Very similar specs and in real like they all perform very similarly. AHVA has already been adopted in a fair few monitors, many of which are just labelled as IPS as that's the name everyone knows and recognises.
 
pmc25 said:
my guess is - a bit faster than the Eizo 120/240hz VA (Sharp made) panel, but not quite as fast as their own 120/144hz TN panels (AUO make virtually all the panels for 120-144hz gaming monitors). Input lag will probably be very low.
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I can tell you that pretty much all the AUO panels of this type are specified as having a 14ms G2G response time, but that's just a starting point from the panel spec sheet. This one was listed as that as well.

The manufacturers then add their own overdrive circuitry to the monitor to get to the specs we typically see. I expect it will have a 5ms G2G spec when used in an actual monitor, that would be fairly typical. Hopefully they will have improved real life response times. In fact they will have had to really as you need response times consistently under 6.9444ms to cope with the frame rate of 144Hz. At the moment a good IPS (of any variation) panel can reach about 8-9ms average in practice without a lot of overshoot being introduced if you push it further. Hopefully the new panel will be a step change in IPS response times allowing this tech to finally be of real use for fast refresh rate gaming screens.

It won't reach the response times of TN Film though I very much doubt, but it doesn't necessarily need to.

We can only hope manufactures pair it with G-sync/ Freesync and a blur reduction backlight too :)
 
Finally....

Was going to go into Overclockers tomorrow and pick up a ROG Swift, but definitely going to hold off and see where this goes :)
 
Nice!

Sent my ROG Swift back as the image quality in comparison to my Dell U2713HM (which I'm using again now) was terrible, in my opinion. Never getting a TN panel again from now on, IPS is just far better.
 
IPS panels haven't had a problem with refresh rate, they've had a problem with slow pixel speed. Slow pixel speed has dictated refresh rate for IPS.

So that begs the question, have they sped up the pixel speed by a large factor? If not, all you will get is the same thing that we've had for years with the overclockable Korean IPS monitors.

Sure, you get a smoother feel but the slow pixels make for horrible motion clarity.
 
Random Guy Esq. said:
It'll be years before my dream monitor is available (21:9 34" IPS @144Hz with some form of adaptive refresh rate tech), and that's assuming OLED/QLED doesn't show up in before then... But in the meantime, one of these with G-Sync or Free Sync capability would be freakin' sweet.
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I agree! And nice username btw :)
 
PhysicsMan94 said:
Nice!

Sent my ROG Swift back as the image quality in comparison to my Dell U2713HM (which I'm using again now) was terrible, in my opinion. Never getting a TN panel again from now on, IPS is just far better.
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I have had one over the weekend to play with and tbh I feel the same. Having it sat next to my AOC screen it did look rather horrid.

I find 60Hz more than meets my needs so will wait until there are more offerings on the market with better panels.
 
Baddass said:
You're getting confused there with AMVA which I agree is totally different. AHVA is AU Optronics' version of IPS, just like Samsung also make PLS as an alternative. Very similar specs and in real like they all perform very similarly. AHVA has already been adopted in a fair few monitors, many of which are just labelled as IPS as that's the name everyone knows and recognises.
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I'm not. AHVA simply is not AUO's "version of IPS" in a technical sense. It's designed to compete with IPS in terms of cost, scalable production and image properties, but it is a VA panel, not of the IPS (or PLS) type, even though it may be less dissimilar than AMVA is.

If as you and others seem to think this opens the way for 120-144hz IPS (or PLS), I think you're going to be disappointed, or if they do they'll likely be intended to reduce eyestrain and be largely unsuitable for gaming due to poor responsiveness. Of course, the latter could be the case here, too.
 
pmc25 said:
I'm not. AHVA simply is not AUO's "version of IPS" in a technical sense. It's designed to compete with IPS in terms of cost, scalable production and image properties, but it is a VA panel, not of the IPS (or PLS) type, even though it may be less dissimilar than AMVA is.

If as you and others seem to think this opens the way for 120-144hz IPS (or PLS), I think you're going to be disappointed, or if they do they'll likely be intended to reduce eyestrain and be largely unsuitable for gaming due to poor responsiveness. Of course, the latter could be the case here, too.
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i can assure you that AHVA is absolutely intended to be AUO's version of IPS. To the point where manufacturers like BenQ (who are linked to AUO) were even intending to use the IPS name for it if cleared from a legal perspective. Some manufacturers already do that, they use the term IPS for the panel technology even when technically they are using a Samsung PLS or AUO AHVA panel underneath.

It's not a VA panel type in the "Vertical Alignment" sense of the term, and has none of the characteristics or performance of a VA panel. All performance characteristics are very very similar ot LG.Display's IPS, and Samsung's PLS. I know it's not the EXACT same technology, but for all intents and purposes it is an IPS-type panel. At the end of the day, if it delivers the same picture characteristics, specs and performance of an IPS or PLS panel, that's what is important to end-users here.

The response times are the area which absolutely need improving to deliver higher refresh rates from IPS-type technology. I'm waiting to see how it performs and test the response times myself as and when the panel emerges. It's been a sticking point for a long time, but if AUO have managed to improve things then great. Sharp did it with their MVA panel, offering the performance characteristics of other VA panels but bringing response times low enough to be able to offer a 120Hz refresh rate effectively. The Korean overclockable IPS/PLS/AHVA models may have been offering high refresh rates but response times have been a problem as already noted in this thread. AUO need to have improved response times, and i expect they will have if they are going to put out a native 144Hz refresh panel of this type.
 
+1 for badass.

As for largely unsuitable for gaming? If you play twitch shooters at a seriously competitive level, yes, otherwise your broad sweeping statement once again is massively incorrect
 
i think what a lot of people are basing all this on (and not just here but elsewhere) is the pixel response times vs refresh rate performance of all the overclocked Korean models. People have stated that while you get smoother frame rates from those which reach 90 - 100Hz or so, the pixel response times can't really keep up with the higher refresh rate and lead to some pretty poor motion clarity. that doesnt surprise me at all though as all the Korean monitors i've ever tested have had pretty lousy response times, despite what their bold specs quote!

models like the QNIX QX2710 for instance have an average real-life response time of 13.2ms G2G. The Achieva 27" IPS Zero=-G was even slower at 15.9ms G2G average. So a lot of them just have very slow response times, and poorly configured overdrive circuits. A good IPS-type panel should be able to reach around 8 - 9 ms at the moment without introducing a lot of overshoot. AUO will need to have pushed that to at least 6.944ms to cope with the 144Hz frame rate, which wouldn't be unreasonable to expect. A lot of current IPS-type panels have better response times than the Korean overclockable models, but are limited to 60Hz at the moment.
 
Baddass said:
i think what a lot of people are basing all this on (and not just here but elsewhere) is the pixel response times vs refresh rate performance of all the overclocked Korean models. People have stated that while you get smoother frame rates from those which reach 90 - 100Hz or so, the pixel response times can't really keep up with the higher refresh rate and lead to some pretty poor motion clarity. that doesnt surprise me at all though as all the Korean monitors i've ever tested have had pretty lousy response times, despite what their bold specs quote!

models like the QNIX QX2710 for instance have an average real-life response time of 13.2ms G2G. The Achieva 27" IPS Zero=-G was even slower at 15.9ms G2G average. So a lot of them just have very slow response times, and poorly configured overdrive circuits. A good IPS-type panel should be able to reach around 8 - 9 ms at the moment without introducing a lot of overshoot. AUO will need to have pushed that to at least 6.944ms to cope with the 144Hz frame rate, which wouldn't be unreasonable to expect. A lot of current IPS-type panels have better response times than the Korean overclockable models, but are limited to 60Hz at the moment.
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I wonder if we'll see an effect similar to that in the ROG Swift (60Hz no OD to 144Hz no OD) if we'll get any stepping on the rise with the IPS panels if their transitions are still a bit too slow.
 
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