Nation of meat eating animal lovers?

[diamount]

Yes, and if you study the Inuit's that had a diet nearly composed of 100% animal products they had many health problems.

The American Indian philosophy was superb, taking only what you need from nature.

See my 'River Cottage' comment in my first post.

I'm against animal cruelty, unnecessary suffering.

Killing a Buffalo to feed your entire family, provide clothing and shelter, sinew to make weapons and bow strings etc sounds like a great use of limited resources to me, especially through harsh winters.

I'm not against eating meat for survival - I have said this many times.

You can believe what you want, the only thing I have problems with is you spreading misinformation when attempting to convince people to join your anti-meat crusade. An all-meat diet is okay if there is the same nutrients found in veggies in the meat, so it doesn't make a blind bit of difference.

But yeah, big fatties those Inuits were.

 

[wilber]

Shortly after the rabbit incident I caught an episode of countryfile or something with a wild boar farmer, who claimed to love the animals he was deliberately raising for slaughter to be eaten. He had the look of a psycopathic madman in his eyes. You can not love an animal on one hand, while thinking 'ooooo, that will be tastey with some apple' on the other.

Yes you can. I suggest you grow your own meat for consumption then come back to us.

 

[spoffle]

Is it? Chicken is one of the blandest meats known to mankind, so much so it takes on the flavour of whatever you put with it.

You mustn't be very good at cooking if that's your stance.

Most meat is bland if cooked poorly without flavouring it. In fact, a lot of food is.

 

[tibbsey]

Yes, and if you study the Inuit's that had a diet nearly composed of 100% animal products they had many health problems.

This is a terrible example. What health problems are you referring to? The fact that they have to ingest PCB's from muktuk in order to get adequate Vitamin C/D because they were stupid enough to choose to inhabit a place where bugger all can grow?
The problem isn't from eating nearly 100% meat products. It's just unfortunate that one of the meat products contains a carcinogen. If it didn't, they'd be pretty solid.

Again from Wikipedia, but I have a feeling your sources are worse:

In the 1920s anthropologist Vilhjalmur Stefansson lived with and studied a group of Inuit.[63] The study focused on the fact that the Inuit's low-carbohydrate diet had no adverse effects on their health, nor indeed, Stefansson's own health. Stefansson (1946) also observed that the Inuit were able to get the necessary vitamins they needed from their traditional winter diet, which did not contain any plant matter. In particular, he found that adequate vitamin C could be obtained from items in their traditional diet of raw meat such as Ringed Seal liver and whale skin (muktuk). While there was considerable skepticism when he reported these findings, they have been borne out in recent studies and analyses.

 

[cheesyboy]

Whenever I see a thread with any sort of social justice look to it I can guarantee Cheesyboy will be there :/

It's nice to have a following
*waves*

 

[413x]

It is hypocritical yes

It's hard to get away from but that is a poor excuse

I have stopped eating chicken.. My empathy side can't stomach it.
Even egg laying is brutal.. I have my own egg layers.. Even here the males which were hatched were macerated to allow me to get my hens

I still eat beef.. My poor justification is one cow feeds more than 1 chicken. This is not saying it's OK and is hypocritical by me to say I am an animal lover

We are fortunate to have meat alternatives now, hopefully this will progress and society will eventually shun meat eaters like smoking is now. It will take time but hopefully will happen

Then we have testing for our medicines
Cruelty in home
What goes on abroad (ugh horrible)

I think we are making progress, but yes 99pc of people are hypocritical when you get down to it

 

[crunchman]

Is it? Chicken is one of the blandest meats known to mankind, so much so it takes on the flavour of whatever you put with it.

Did I say chicken?

Even so if your opinion is that it's bland, marinade it, have some sauce...a bland carrot would need the same

Totally ignoring texture as well..hope you don't force this no meat abuse on to your kids

 

[M3G4UK]

Just.....what?

The point being, if you buy / adopt a cat you make the choice to do so. Therefore that choice supports the slaughter industry because cat food contains products derived from that industry. If you didnt, and the cat was wild - true it would be a carnivore by design but it would not be eating pet food from the supermarket. It would be eating prey like mice and birds.

Are you really unable to see the point?

That cats would be eating birds, just like humans are designed to?

Oh yes.

 

[BunnyKillBot]

Totally ignoring texture as well..hope you don't force this no meat abuse on to your kids

Nice strawman, totally out of nowhere, that completely verified my earlier immaturity statement. Very sad. Good luck OP, don't be too disheartened, right idea, wrong implementation.

 

[SkodaMart]

Let me guess, dietary fat is bad for you and makes you fat, right?

Excess of animal fat is bad for you.

Have a look at Coronary heart disease, stroke, high blood pressure.

Cut out animal fat from your diet and you must find another source of energy.

Carbohydrates and sugar from fruit being the ideal substitutes.

 

[cheesyboy]

But it's irrelevant in as much as it's still support of the industry, and I think his particular support is based in ignorance, that he doesn't realise just how many every day things are made with animal products.

The argument that they have died anyway works for eating the meat, hence my point that there isn't really a practical difference between the two.

If you are truly against the meat industry then you put the effort in and don't consume any products that are produced via the meat industry, including by products, otherwise it's just a menial token gesture that allows some people to feel morally superior than others, hence his mentioning of morals so much.

It probably does support the industry, yes. As much as anything, it will subsidise the cost of production, making meat cheaper, meaning more people buy it.

I think, as with any cause, you can get behind something to various degrees. You could argue that if it really meant something to you to stand against the meat industry, that you would be regularly protesting with placards in the meat section of Tesco, or whatever.

Cutting out meat is a significant step, though, regardless of how far you take it elsewhere.

 

[TheBDog]

Excess of animal fat is bad for you.

Have a look at Coronary heart disease, stroke, high blood pressure.

Cut out animal fat from your diet and you must find another source of energy.

Carbohydrates and sugar from fruit being the ideal substitutes.

Excess of anything is bad for you. Also, notably carbohydrates and sugar from fruit. Fructose, not as healthy as you might think


Also, have a look at the high number of people put on low saturated fat diets after having high cholesterol and actually getting worse. (Sadly, couldn't find a link...)

 

[crunchman]

Nice strawman, totally out of nowhere, that completely verified my earlier immaturity statement. It is very sad.

I thought you were bowing out?

Just tend to see people with such strong views push them on others and it's disheartening

 

[porushinobu]

I'd never heard of that place until just now.

I'm in.

Also, two words 'Bodean's BBQ'

A most fantastic plan, I would be in.

 

[BuffetSlayer]

That cats would be eating birds, just like humans are designed to?

Oh yes.

Yes, because that is what they naturally do.

They do not naturally eat pet food that is made from animal by products that are processed and then sold in supermarkets.

The difference is, it is not their choice to be carnivores, but it is your choice on whether to own one and support the slaughter trade.

If the same cat was feral, it would still be a carnivore but it would unlikely be consuming products that support the slaughter industry.

Ergo - owning cats (or any meat eating pet) supports the slaughter industry, and therefore vegetarians/vegans/animal welfare crusaders who own these kinds of animals are hypocrites.

That is the point I was trying to make and to be honest my head is spinning from all of the crazy posts in here.

Sorry if I have incorrectly assessed on the point you were trying to make.

 

[Nitefly]

There is a very touching video of a young Spanish boy speaking to his mother about his food... Well worth a watch.

Edit - Jesus don't try googling for it at work! Ill post it later.

 

[shiver]

I'd never heard of that place until just now.

I'm in.

Also, two words 'Bodean's BBQ'

Oh boy

+100 for Bodean's


This thread is brilliant!

 

[spoffle]

That cats would be eating birds, just like humans are designed to?

Oh yes.

Yes, but the cat's owner wouldn't be financially supporting the meat production industry...

Excess of animal fat is bad for you.

Have a look at Coronary heart disease, stroke, high blood pressure.

Cut out animal fat from your diet and you must find another source of energy.

Carbohydrates and sugar from fruit being the ideal substitutes.

Dietary fat doesn't lead to high cholesterol and heart disease.

You're not a follower of Durianrider are you?

 

[MattTheTall77]

SkodaMart you were on a losing battle from the first post, threads like this always go the same way and always the same arguments.

I'm a vegetarian but accept people eat meat, but what is wrong is the way it is done.

Chickens who only live for 6 weeks, feels wrong to eat something that has only lived for 42 days. Hatcheries who throw new born male chicks into grinders. Happens all over the world, here is some info from america http://www.mercyforanimals.org/hatchery/ 150,000 per day killed.

Sows who are forced to give birth constantly for their 3-4 years alive until they're exhausted and then slaughtered.

A rescue place I donate too had a piglet handed in who had fallen out the side of a livestock wagon off to slaughter. It's banned for pregnant animals to go to slaughter but they still get sent, and apparently it can happen frequently that piglets are born and found in the wagon at the slaughterhouse and killed, and even found when cutting open the mothers.

I have a pig who I rescued from going to slaughter, and people who say they aren't as intelligent as dogs are wrong, he likes playing, loves tummy rubs, and sits for treats. And why should worth be measured by intelligence?

In America and South America you have huge intensive farms for pigs and cattle, with hundreds of thousands in single operations.

Then you have cases of disease, South Korea burying pigs alive during disposal of 1 million pigs http://www.********.com/view?i=086_1300057764 I also remember video from when bird flu first appeared of people using shovels to scoop chicks into binbags while still alive.

China with fur farms, bile farms, other countries who boil animals alive including dogs, some who eat animals alive. There was an article and video of someone eating a fish who was fried while alive with a wet towel over it's head to keep it alive for the customer to eat.

Life is a precious thing for all animals, we all have only this one chance, and in the name of food and money some have nothing and for not very long.

 

[Guerrilla]

I think a lot of people would be happier to have their meat come from well treated animals, not least because a lot of the time it'll be better quality and tastier.

We could probably do with eating less meat and also eating a lot more of the 'undesirable' cuts and offal, because it's mostly delicious, but also because if you are going to kill an animal it's only right to eat all of it.