Nation of meat eating animal lovers?

bobbyspangles · 12 Sep 2014 at 23:16

Allowing farmers to shoot things is just an easy vote winer. If it wasn't badgers it would be some other perfectly entitled wild animal.

Next we will be told that chasing badgers at night with marksmen on horseback with spotlights and dogs is a better method of control.

SkodaMart · 12 Sep 2014 at 23:17

wilber said:
No it would not be cheaper. vaccination is costing the welsh assembly well over £3k PER BADGER

However, these arguments do not stand up. The cost of the 2013 badger culls worked out at £4000+ per badger, while the Welsh Vaccination Project was able to vaccinate at around £600 per badger. With volunteers lining up to help vaccinate badgers across England, however, the actual cost of vaccinating will be much less, and thus a fraction of the cost of culling. - See more at: http://www.careforthewild.com/badger/badger-cull-facts/#sthash.5kn92DL3.Ah9hfZTn.dpuf

wilber · 12 Sep 2014 at 23:20

SkodaMart said:
Quote: during the Welsh Badger Vaccination Project in 2012, out of 1200 badgers captured and vaccinated in a TB hotspot area, none showed any signs of having the disease. - See more at: http://www.careforthewild.com/badger/badger-cull-facts/#sthash.5kn92DL3.dpuf

Brilliant! I was just waiting for you to use that quote!

And you accuse me of using a straw man argument, bit of a hypocrite really.

And now for the full paragraph:

More recently, Owen Paterson (Environment Minister) suggested that many of the badgers being shot during the 2013 culls were sick. However, it was admitted that this was only from ‘visual’ evidence from the people doing the culling. Using the same method, during the Welsh Badger Vaccination Project in 2012, out of 1200 badgers captured and vaccinated in a TB hotspot area, none showed any signs of having the disease.

So on one hand they slate the evidence collecting method regarding TB infected culled badgers then try and use the SAME method it to prove a point.... WHAT?

wilber · 12 Sep 2014 at 23:21

bobbyspangles said:
Allowing farmers to shoot things is just an easy vote winer. If it wasn't badgers it would be some other perfectly entitled wild animal.

Next we will be told that chasing badgers at night with marksmen on horseback with spotlights and dogs is a better method of control.

What utter rubbish

SkodaMart · 12 Sep 2014 at 23:25

wilber said:
No it would not be cheaper. vaccination is costing the welsh assembly well over £3k PER BADGER

SkodaMart said:
However, these arguments do not stand up. The cost of the 2013 badger culls worked out at £4000+ per badger, while the Welsh Vaccination Project was able to vaccinate at around £600 per badger. With volunteers lining up to help vaccinate badgers across England, however, the actual cost of vaccinating will be much less, and thus a fraction of the cost of culling. - See more at: http://www.careforthewild.com/badger/badger-cull-facts/#sthash.5kn92DL3.Ah9hfZTn.dpuf

Strawman?

Kettle pot?

wilber · 12 Sep 2014 at 23:29

SkodaMart said:
Strawman?

Kettle pot?

That was also the 2012 costs the ongoing costs are spiraling.

A cartridge costs around 50p

SkodaMart · 12 Sep 2014 at 23:32

wilber said:
A cartridge costs around 50p

Dairy cattle or meat?

bobbyspangles · 12 Sep 2014 at 23:33

wilber said:
What utter rubbish

Whilst that was meant a bit tongue-in-cheek, when many of the same people supportive of a badger cull are those who used to say dressing up and chasing foxes with dogs was the best method of control then it's hard to take anything they say very seriously isn't it. :rolleyes:

wilber · 12 Sep 2014 at 23:34

SkodaMart said:
Dairy cattle or meat?

Dairy cattle or meat what?

wilber · 12 Sep 2014 at 23:36

bobbyspangles said:
Whilst that was meant a bit tongue-in-cheek, when many of the same people supportive of a badger cull are those who used to say dressing up and chasing foxes with dogs was the best method of control then it's hard to take anything they say very seriously isn't it.

Many farmers are against fox hunting with dogs I'm not sure what your point has to do with anything other than being completely ignorant on the subject.

And it was stated in the Burns report (the report commissioned by labour and one of the main factors in outlawing hunting with dogs) that hunting with dogs was the most effective method in upland areas seeing as you seem to know it all.

Heaven forbid that someone working on the land day and night would know more on a subject than someone who knows all about farming from country file and farm ville.

Jimbeam3678 · 12 Sep 2014 at 23:45

I've just had a meat feast pizza and now have meat sweats if that helps this thread?

Akagi · 13 Sep 2014 at 00:59

INB4 the lock.

Arthur Hucksake · 13 Sep 2014 at 01:09

Wealthy folk chasing Foxes with Dogs is just weird behaviour. There is no purpose to this other than sport killing.

A farmer killing certain breeds of animal to protect his livelyhood and way of life I have no problems with.

I'm not a fan of sport killing at all. You have to be mentally tapped to do that. Why not people too right?

I am in favour of vaccinating animals if it is more cost effective, it's silly not to. It also preserves the natural order of things.

Nitefly · 13 Sep 2014 at 01:19

Nitefly said:
There is a very touching video of a young Spanish boy speaking to his mother about his food... Well worth a watch.

Edit - Jesus don't try googling for it at work! Ill post it later.

As promised:

Akagi · 13 Sep 2014 at 01:24

Awww...

spoffle · 13 Sep 2014 at 01:29

divaboy said:
I've just had a meat feast pizza and now have meat sweats if that helps this thread?

I'll probably be going to Viva Brazil on Tuesday to eat at least a kilo (more like 2) of rare steak.

Nitefly · 13 Sep 2014 at 08:15

Acme said:
Awww...

It makes me feel pretty bad to enjoy eating meat when even a child can sense that it's unnecessary and sad to kill animals.

Aedus · 13 Sep 2014 at 08:41

This topic certainly took an interesting turn...

wilber · 13 Sep 2014 at 08:52

Aedus said:
This topic certainly took an interesting turn...

Skodamarts original agenda was to debate the badger cull from the offset unfortunately he knows little on the subject other than what he reads from that animal Rights nutter page.

If anyone is actually interested and wants to read a published paper on the subject by a veterinary pathologist then i suggest you read this:

http://www.bovinetb.info/docs/tuberculosis-tracing-the-dilemma.pdf

Freefaller · 13 Sep 2014 at 10:19

Oh another vegetarian is "best" thread. Yawn. Thread has started to go round in circles as usual.