No, no it isn't.
I like they way you respond to not a single point then just blindly assert my arguments are a combination of straw-men or not logical.
I like the way you're just making things up, pretending I said things I didn't, then expecting a real response.
Simply the facts are the primary economic benefit for the farmer is the sale of the meat, if less people are buying meat it in the very least prevents the expansion of that demand.
It's illogical to assert that refraining from the consumption of animal products has no impact on the amount of animals raised for food, when the number of animals raised on a large scale & over time will be to meet that demand.
For example, you are asserting that I am being illogical based on a statement you've made up that I didn't say.
The point is that if world demand for meat is increasing, and the supply isn't meeting the demand, then being a vegan isn't saving any animals
The fact that some aspects of the animal are used as products is by in large irrelevant - these are by-product's, used due to the fact they are the cheapest & abundantly available. In most cases without the existing huge demand for meat - alternative synthetic substances would be cheaper or used instead. Neither would it be economically viable to breed, raise & feed farm animals to meet the by-product demand.
It doesn't really matter, it's the way it is at present, and I can't see it changing any time soon.
Instead of posting saying "I NEVER SAID OTHERWISE, STRAWMAN" twenty five times respond to these points.
Well, I never said it 25 times, and I also said "Captain Strawman".
However, I wouldn't respond with that if you didn't keep asserting I'm saying things that only you have stated.
The only point I'm making is that eating animals results in the death of animals & not eating animals saves animals - by saves prevents further from being bred to meet the demand (at a high level). To argue otherwise comes across as a very weak & poor attempt to avoid responsibility.
This isn't the only point you're making, however great consistency, because if this was the only point you were making, which I've responded to a few times now, you wouldn't really be able to claim I'm not addressing "all" the points (the ones you've made up that no one but yourself has said).
That said, it's farcical that you even think you need to state that eating meat means animals will die. Are you so deluded that you think people think and are saying otherwise?
Who is arguing otherwise, and why do you keep stating that? Not eating animals doesn't save them at the current level of veganism/vegetarianism at present, as has been stated numerous times, the world demand for meat is increasing, and the supply isn't matching it. Ergo, not eating meat isn't saving any animals at all.
Who is straw-manning now?. I don't use any animal products when the option exists to avoid it (which is pretty much everything) - assuming that was directed at me, it's not easy to tell when no names are used or quotes.
Well, that wouldn't be a strawman even if it was directed at you, it was directed at the OP, however upon reflection it seems to have struck a nerve with you, so must apply to you also.
Your assertion that you "pretty much everything" is avoidable is nonsense too. There will be plenty of things in your household that have been made using derivatives of animal products, or made by using animals in some way, even if that would be labour.
If you read the posts everything within them is related to the assertion that by refraining from the consumption of animal products you are not 'saving/preventing' the further deaths of animals.
Yes, but you aren't. Unless the vegan or vegetarian movement decreases world demand for meat, then it isn't saving any animals. It might result in farmers not increasing the level of livestock they breed and process, but an animal that isn't born isn't one that's saved.
I disagree & the points made are not 'one for one' retorts to your posts - but an open statement against this flawed (in my view) assertion.
You're too busy delusionally asserting things nobody said. You should really address that.
