Nation of meat eating animal lovers?

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Assuming everyone has the cash for high quality produce, and they don't.

I friend of mine has a rescue dog that was fed on soup only.
Not because the owners were cruel, because that was all the owner could afford to eat for themselves.

More nonsense, for a start no where have you said you done it for cost. secondly it is cheap. You just need to be a little smarter. Could have one steak or several kilos of tasty meat. Because people are snobby there's a huge price difference between cuts. You can eat high quality and cheaply if you wish.
 
I don't think that's what anyone is trying to do.

The produce you buy is hard to trace.

I haven't a clue how good my organic milk is or how free range my free range eggs are.

Look more nonsense, the stuff I buy is highly traceable.

Have you put any effort into sourcing your veg and grain from a decent sustainable farm? It certainly doesn't sound like it at all.
 
Look more nonsense, the stuff I buy is highly traceable.

Have you put any effort into sourcing your veg and grain from a decent sustainable farm? It certainly doesn't sound like it at all.

Of course, he just wanted to present himself as hero saviour of all the poor animals, and it backfired on him.
 
Of course, he just wanted to present himself as hero saviour of all the poor animals, and it backfired on him.

Certainly has, but I bet he'll still sprout nonsense and won't do any research.

All those millions poor animals he kills due to choosing intensively farmed veg and grains. Which aren't even pre stunned, just crushed, poisoned etc.
 
Certainly has, but I bet he'll still sprout nonsense and won't do any research.

All those millions poor animals he kills due to choosing intensively farmed veg and grains. Which aren't even pre stunned, just crushed, poisoned etc.

And all those male baby chicks that die on a daily basis at hatcheries that breed egg laying hens, as he's said many times now, he still consumes dairy.
 
Elmarko, you're getting hostile responses as you don't understand what Dairy Farming consists of. Along with Skodamark you push incorrect horror stories of abuse and neglect which simply aren't in line with UK dairy farming practices. I strongly advise you to visit a local Dairy or Beef farm where you'll gain a true picture.
Please link the horror story I've pushed.

I'm arguing from a no kill perspective & dairy/egg farming results in the death of the males from both groups.

I'm not pushing anything.
 
notice those downward slopes on the predator lines?


thats where they starve to death/don't have survivable litters.

I understand the diagram, still remember the Fox/Rabbit program at GCSE!:D

I take it by the comment you think we're currently at the crest of the predator curve?
 
I don't think that's what anyone is trying to do.

The produce you buy is hard to trace.

I haven't a clue how good my organic milk is or how free range my free range eggs are.

Exactly. There are good farmers and there are bad farmers and there are just farmers that are neither great or bad...

Unfortunately it's difficult to know unless you live near the place that grows and brings up your food. Most but in supermarkets where it may be possible but it'll be a significant amount of work to do so...
 
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I understand the diagram, still remember the Fox/Rabbit program at GCSE!:D

I take it by the comment you think we're currently at the crest of the predator curve?

define we?

given the wide spread of populations around the world there are groups at nearly all points of the curve currently.
 
define we?

given the wide spread of populations around the world there are groups at nearly all points of the curve currently.

Humans.

As most humans are now in a global society we all fight for the same resources, whether that be British people eating Brazilian beef, Chinese drinking US milk or even Lebanese using Australian steel.

The ones that aren't are mostly in the Amazon jungle, choosing not to mix with the rest of the human race.
 
If you take notice of what you buy, where you buy it from, what's in it etc. you can happily eat a balanced omnivores diet with a clear conscience.

Most important to me is the quality of the food I eat. The less processed the better, grass feed where possible, wild game is also good. A few veg gown in the parents garden all supplements the supermarket fare.

Tl; dr quality not quantity, eat the diet nature intended (where possible)
 
In theory yes but almost impossible in reality.

The supermarket price war has meant that there are much fewer organic products on supermarket shelves.
Local produce can be hard to source in some areas.

oh god please don't think organic means high quality.

organic foods typically having a higher heavy metal content for a start due to the old fashioned fertilizers.
 
Humans.

As most humans are now in a global society we all fight for the same resources, whether that be British people eating Brazilian beef, Chinese drinking US milk or even Lebanese using Australian steel.

The ones that aren't are mostly in the Amazon jungle, choosing not to mix with the rest of the human race.

no humans are not all one giant group just liek foxes arent many are sperated not only by geological borders but also political borders.


for example in various parts of Africa they re at the crest (and kept from plummeting over by aid) in other parts of the world famines including those caused by human means such as the ones in the communist soviet block force the population down the curve.

in the west we are typically much more capable of sourcing new food stuffs others arnt.
 
Cows are milked by machine mercilessly.
This cause sores, chafing and mastitis.

These sores produce pus which then enters the milk.

The cows are given anti-biotics to help combat this.

http://nutritionfacts.org/2011/09/08/how-much-pus-is-there-in-milk/

You NEED to visit a UK Dairy Farm. Cows are not milked mercilessly, they get milked in the Morning, and then again in the evening.

They receive a reward in the form of cow nuts/cake, which they enjoy thoroughly, to the point where they'll try and come back in again for more!

This tells me that the cows are surely enjoying their Milking, why else would they come back in?

Any cow that suffers with Mastitis gets treated straight away on our farm, the Cow has Anti-Biotic tubes inserted into it's individual quarters, and the milked is kept from Human consumption until the Anti-Biotics have left the system, this also coincides with the Mastitis having cleared up.

Cows DO NOT get Mastitis from being Milked Mercilessly, bacteria is usually the culprit.

Please take some time to carefully read this article here > From Dairy Co <

Please link the horror story I've pushed.

I'm arguing from a no kill perspective & dairy/egg farming results in the death of the males from both groups.

I'm not pushing anything.

My apologies, I wrote that post in a hurry whilst sat on the toilet :o (I'm serious!)
 
Don't cows NEED to be milked anyway due to the pressure build up from the milk in the udders?

Most definitely, a cow with an udder full of milk appears most uncomfortable if you are late milking her. It even has a habit of running out her teats!
 
i have an oddly gross question, does fresh as in just milked 5 minutes ago milk, taste any different to the pasturised bottled on the stuff or is it the same?
 
it tastes 100 times better (similar if you are old enough to remember the old gold top delivered to your door not the new stuff)..... if you like milk and not white water and taken like i said the people here seem to have watched propaganda videos without knowing that the uk farming industry is one of the most highly regulated in the world. So yes some of these horror stories do happen but the survey quoted before was american and they are well known for their lapse farming policies. Look at the industry as a whole the main bad things (foot and mouth etc) were brought in from other countries due to their failings
 
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it tastes 100 times better (similar if you are old enough to remember the old gold top delivered to your door not the new stuff)..... if you like milk and not white water and taken like i said the people here seem to have watched propaganda videos without knowing that the uk farming industry is one of the most highly regulated in the world. So yes some of these horror stories do happen but the survey quoted before was american and they are well known for their lapse farming policies. Look at the industry as a whole the main bad things (foot and mouth etc) were brought in from other countries due to their failings

I buy gold top milk, it's significantly nicer than anything else I've tasted.
 
i have an oddly gross question, does fresh as in just milked 5 minutes ago milk, taste any different to the pasturised bottled on the stuff or is it the same?

It tastes warm :p , and much more natural as a whole, very smooth. Unfortunately I have IBS, the amount of butterfat and protein in our cows milk plays hell with me, so I tend to avoid large amounts of it.
 
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