Nation of meat eating animal lovers?

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Zefan said:
I can hardly ever find the stuff, only really very specific brands now and again in certain places.
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I see, however, Gold Top is just the brand name for a channel island conglomerate (Guernsey / Jersey breeds) which is creamier, richer and more beta carotine gives it its golden colour. You can often find essentially the same stuff in local shops and businesses from those smaller players that don't pay for the gold top licensed name.
 
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anticonscience said:
Am I right in thinking that supermarkets are soon to be able to sell 'gold top' milk again due to a change in regulations?
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I still have it in my local shops and supermarkets.

However they will unfortunately never sell "raw" milk in supermarkets, you have to order online or go to a farmers shop for that.
 
crackerman said:
Organic food has nothing to do with the welfare of the animal. The standards of its wellbeing should be no better or worse than animals on non organic farms.
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Not quite right. In the UK organic eggs, for example, HAVE to be free-range.

I'm not familiar with other production (my father-in-law is a free-range egg producer), but imagine there may be similar requirements.
 
Good topic, nice to see some compassion for the earth/animals. Shame not many others can share it, it's hard to get out the cycle of bull**** thrown at you everyday.

We get conditioned to feel more for the hollywood stars in a fiction movie than the animals and environment we share the earth with.

We just get mass media advertising telling us what to buy, what to think, how to look and what is right and wrong depending on what generates profits for the corporations that control the economy. We get taught to put profits before people. We get taught to be really good consumers that never question much more than 'is this better than last years model?'

Too many overweight huck$ter$ telling other overweight people how to get healthy and fit. Too many starvation programs out there saying 'starve till ya skinny!'. Too many Dr Atkin's paleo primal low carb ketogenic south beach T bone, body type, hair type blood type fad gimmick diets out there.

The time to eat meat is when you walk past a pet shop and start salivating. The time to drink milk is when you stop at a field and want to act like a baby cow. Man the **** up and quit the breast milk. The time to eat eggs is when you see yourself as more python than human. The time to feed your children animal products is when they eat the pet cat, rat or gold fish.
 
Nate Silvers said:
Good topic, nice to see some compassion for the earth/animals. Shame not many others can share it, it's hard to get out the cycle of bull**** thrown at you everyday.

We get conditioned to feel more for the hollywood stars in a fiction movie than the animals and environment we share the earth with.

We just get mass media advertising telling us what to buy, what to think, how to look and what is right and wrong depending on what generates profits for the corporations that control the economy. We get taught to put profits before people. We get taught to be really good consumers that never question much more than 'is this better than last years model?'

Too many overweight huck$ter$ telling other overweight people how to get healthy and fit. Too many starvation programs out there saying 'starve till ya skinny!'. Too many Dr Atkin's paleo primal low carb ketogenic south beach T bone, body type, hair type blood type fad gimmick diets out there.

The time to eat meat is when you walk past a pet shop and start salivating. The time to drink milk is when you stop at a field and want to act like a baby cow. Man the **** up and quit the breast milk. The time to eat eggs is when you see yourself as more python than human. The time to feed your children animal products is when they eat the pet cat, rat or gold fish.
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And yet, 30 bananas a day is sensible and healthy. Yeah, no.
 
How many times in history have we seen a "crazy" person turn out to be right. Almost every time I'm out buying fruit by the case I see people looking at me like I'm crazy, all the while being told the same old crazy comments day in and out. Too much potassium. Constipation. You'll get fat. People aren't crazy though, they're just sincere but sincerely wrong. What constipation? My digestion is amazing.
 
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It does happen though, not just crazy people but people that went against the grain in society. Nelson, Dr King, Malcolm X, Rosa Parks.

Philip Wollen.


Gary Yourofsky.


Shame people would rather play Minecraft or watch netflix than care about questioning their compassion for other living beings, and I was one of them, doesn't make you a bad person though, it's just never talked about unless you bump into one of those annoying vegans.
 
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Tefal said:
Wouldn't that be an insane amount of sugar?
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Valid question, that's what most people who haven't tried it and felt the results ask. I eat more than 80% total calories from simple sugars, glucose and fructose (in fruit).

An insane amount is a relative term. An insane amount compared to our needs? No. Insane amounts compared to what most people consume? Yes. If you want the same health as most people have to be chronically ill for almost 30 years and then bit by bit watch your health go out in parts. Then suffer from degenerative, eventually pathogenic conditions. Then do what everybody else does and get the same results as everybody else.

If you're willing to be brave enough to be different from everybody else, then you might actually be willing to follow the guidelines that nature has already shown us. The creatures that are anatomically and physiologically similar to us, consume MASSIVE quantities of carbs.

The creatures most closely mimicking our genetic intelligence and other abilities, physiology and anatomy in design are the Bonobo. They consume over 80% of their total calories from carbs.

Anatomically, physiologically you can take parts from THEM and put in US. They match up.

Animals that are anatomically, physiologically similar to us thrive on similar foods as us. If we don't know what we're suppose to really eat we can get a pretty good idea by looking at the creatures that are built like us.

And yeah I know chimpanzees have been recorded as eating meat now and then but if we look at their overall diet less than 1% of their total calories comes from meat. Look at their overall diet again in terms of caloric nutrient ratio, close to 80% of their total calories comes from carbs.

It's an inarguable position.
It makes sense from science.
It makes sense from nature.
It makes sense from ecology.
It makes sense from health.

And it makes sense in every way we care to pursuit it including most of all perhaps, the pleasure of getting to eat the most delicious foods on the planet.

Fruit.
 
cheesyboy said:
Not quite right. In the UK organic eggs, for example, HAVE to be free-range.

I'm not familiar with other production (my father-in-law is a free-range egg producer), but imagine there may be similar requirements.
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Free range itself is a barely defined marketing term and is utterly meaningless. Morrisons sell two different products, free range and free-to-roam, with the later 'forage in woodland eating bugs and grubs' is the welfare ideal.
 
Nate Silvers said:
Valid question, that's what most people who haven't tried it and felt the results ask. I eat more than 80% total calories from simple sugars, glucose and fructose (in fruit).

An insane amount is a relative term. An insane amount compared to our needs? No. Insane amounts compared to what most people consume? Yes. If you want the same health as most people have to be chronically ill for almost 30 years and then bit by bit watch your health go out in parts. Then suffer from degenerative, eventually pathogenic conditions. Then do what everybody else does and get the same results as everybody else.

If you're willing to be brave enough to be different from everybody else, then you might actually be willing to follow the guidelines that nature has already shown us. The creatures that are anatomically and physiologically similar to us, consume MASSIVE quantities of carbs.

The creatures most closely mimicking our genetic intelligence and other abilities, physiology and anatomy in design are the Bonobo. They consume over 80% of their total calories from carbs.

Anatomically, physiologically you can take parts from THEM and put in US. They match up.

Animals that are anatomically, physiologically similar to us thrive on similar foods as us. If we don't know what we're suppose to really eat we can get a pretty good idea by looking at the creatures that are built like us.

And yeah I know chimpanzees have been recorded as eating meat now and then but if we look at their overall diet less than 1% of their total calories comes from meat. Look at their overall diet again in terms of caloric nutrient ratio, close to 80% of their total calories comes from carbs.

It's an inarguable position.
It makes sense from science.
It makes sense from nature.
It makes sense from ecology.
It makes sense from health.

And it makes sense in every way we care to pursuit it including most of all perhaps, the pleasure of getting to eat the most delicious foods on the planet.

Fruit.
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given your claiming it being all natural its ironic you chose a man made fruit.

unless your eating seeded bananas which would be seriously disturbing.

but eating that level of sugar is going to be bad for your pancreas/insulin resistance you are going to be causing yourself severe problems later in life.

also it means you're going to be consuming way under the required amounts of fats and protein.


unless you didn't count fats and protein in your calculations for calories.


Have you had your blood sugar checked? regularly through out a normal day and fasting?

as from the sounds of it I'd wager your going to be regularly in a range that will be causing capillary damage.


Also the animals your comparing against arnt that metabolically similar to humans. especially relatively sedate humans.
 
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